【键盘侠】字母哥是否已超AD

Has Giannis surpassed Anthony Davis?

Before the season most people had AD above Giannis. However, this year, Giannis will either win MVP or be the runner up while leading the first place Bucks. Davis, on the other hand, all but quit on his team less than halfway through the year. That said, has Giannis passed AD?

字母哥是不是已超出安东尼-戴维斯？

在这个赛季之前，年夜大都把戴维斯排在字母哥之上。但是这个赛季呢，带领雄鹿高居第一的字母哥要末会博得MVP，要末也是次席。再看看戴维斯，赛季还没进行到一半就闹着要离队。基在此，是否是说字母哥已超出了戴维斯呢？

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[–]sszivos 12 points 12 hours ago

I do believe so, yes. Even if they are evenly matched at this point, Giannis can at least stay on the court. AD seems to get injured once every month

我确切是这么认为的，字母哥已超出了戴维斯。哪怕两人的球队此刻这时候候会面，字母哥最少还能待在场上，而戴维斯貌似每一个月都要受伤一次。

[–]Supersonics Scizzurp 1079 points 12 hours ago*

He has to me since last year. Like I have always said their talent are close but Giannis is a wing player. They just are more vital on their own in today league than bigs.

almost everything runs thru Giannis on offense, him creating for himself or others and he can play a pseudo big on defense.

超音速球迷：我感觉字母哥上赛季就超出戴维斯了。我一向都感觉，他俩的先天很接近，可是字母哥是一个侧翼球员。在现在的同盟中，这类球员在本身球队所饰演的脚色比年夜个子更主要。

[–]Heat wormhole222 414 points 12 hours ago

This is the best way to describe it. It's possible AD has more talent than Giannis, but impact wise Giannis has clearly left AD behind.

热火球迷：这么形容是最好的。也许戴维斯的先天强在字母哥，可是字母哥对照赛的影响力较着比戴维斯年夜。

[–]Warriors typesett[] 21 points 6 hours ago

AD without a skilled point guard type player is not very good. Giannis by himself can be very good. A decent PG for both IMO still means Giannis comes out the better player. Having said that, we are talking about who's better of a top 5 player.

勇士球迷：没有一个手艺熟练的控卫打辅助，戴维斯就没那末超卓了。而字母哥仅靠本身便可以打得很好。我感觉，如果两人都有一个不错的控卫同伴，字母哥的表示仍是要强在戴维斯。这么说吧，我们谈论的可是一个比同盟前五球员还利害的球员。

[–]495969302043 45 points 4 hours ago

A skilled point guard like Jrue Holiday?

你是说像霍乐迪如许手艺纯熟的控卫吗？

[–]Bucks mastersergeant98 15 points 4 hours ago

See but apparently even that's not enough for him.

雄鹿球迷：我懂，可即使是霍乐迪这类球员对戴维斯来讲也不敷啊。

[–]Warriors manisier 12 points 4 hours ago

Jrue was the Pelicans' best player against the Blazers last season lmao

勇士球迷：上赛季鹈鹕对阵开辟者的季后赛中，霍乐迪可是表示最好的球员啊，哈哈哈

[–]Pelicans neutrinbro 13 points 4 hours ago

I think Giannis is better too, but saying that AD is 'not very good' without a skilled point guard type player is pretty crazy. I don't know what your baseline for 'skilled PG' would be, but ADs 3rd and 4th year in the league, Jrue played less than half the season and we had Norris Cole or Austin Rivers playing point and AD still averaged 24/10/2.5 over those seasons. He's very good all the time, but not being a wing limits him compared to Giannis.

鹈鹕球迷：我也感觉字母哥更利害，可是说他没有一个好控卫做辅佐就“没那末超卓”，这类论调真的扯。我不知道你对“手艺纯熟的控卫”的界说是如何的，不外戴维斯在同盟的第三和第四个赛季，霍乐迪只打了不到半个赛季，我们那时的控卫是诺里斯-科尔或小里弗斯，戴维斯那两个赛季的场均依然是24+10+2.5.他一向都很超卓，只是比起字母哥的话，没有打侧翼有所限制。

[–]Cavaliers DeanBlandino 13 points 7 hours ago

AD for sure doesn’t impact the game as much. He’s also injured all the fucking time.

骑士球迷：戴维斯对照赛的影响力必定是没有字母哥年夜的。并且他尼玛不断受伤啊。

[–]Lakers AirBall02 44 points 7 hours ago

Giannis has that rare ultra-competitive gene that you can not teach. The same kind that Kobe and MJ have.

湖人球迷：字母哥具有那种罕有的高在常人的竞争基因，这是没法教会的。科比和乔丹才有这类基因。

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[–][DAL] Luka Doncic Osiris47 527 points 10 hours ago

Giannis this year is dumpstering people down low like nobody since Prime Shaq has. He obviously doesn't have the sheer bulk Shaq did, but his speed and length is almost genuinely unguardable.

I think he's beyond AD at this point, especially if his 3 keeps developing like it is.

独行侠球迷：这个赛季的字母哥对敌手的确是碾压，自从巅峰期的奥尼尔事后也就他了。很明显，他没有奥尼尔那末重大的身躯，可是他的速度和臂展几近是敌手防不住的。我感觉此刻这个阶段他强在戴维斯，假如那继续晋升三分投射的话，那更是如斯了。

[–]Mavericks MDMKVII 58 points 8 hours ago

I swear every Bucks game I watch, Giannis starts his gather step at some point on the floor way too far from the bucket and I think to myself he can't actually reach the basket from there in two steps.

Effortless dunk every time.

独行侠球迷：我立誓我看了雄鹿的每场角逐，字母哥在场上迈着他的收球步(gather step)启动时常常离篮筐还很远，我心想“他不成能只用两步就从那儿跨到篮下。”

可他每次都以不吃力的扣篮扫尾。

[–]Bucks MindOfGregJennings 33 points 7 hours ago

I still haven't gotten used to it. My personal favorite is when he posts up and pickups up his dribble and I think he's going to have to shoot a fade away but then he pivots towards the basket and reaches over a guy to dunk it.

雄鹿球迷：我都没习惯他这类操作。我小我最喜好的画面是，当他低位背身和运球后拿球要起时，我觉得他会来一个后仰，可他倒是重心前倾，隔着人往框里砸。

[–]Celtics osmlol 23 points 7 hours ago

TBH in today's NBA he doesn't need the bulk Shaq had. Shaq was facing big boy centers. Modern NBA has only a few big boy centers. Most of them are slimmer now and better shooters.

凯尔特人球迷：说真话，在现在的NBA，字母哥不需要具有奥尼尔那末重大的身躯，究竟奥尼尔昔时要面临的都是年夜中锋。现在同盟里年夜个中锋不多，此刻的良多内线更消瘦，投篮更好。

[–][NOP] Jrue Holiday TobyQueef69 262 points 9 hours ago

Giannis is out there looking like a 2k MyCareer player who can literally just drive to the basket and dunk it whenever he wants

鹈鹕球迷：场上的字母哥看着就像是2K生活生计模式的球员，只要他想，他就可以带球杀篮下完成暴扣。

[–]VapidNonsense 84 points 8 hours ago

Watching him play reminds me of Jordan in 2k12.

看他打球让我想起了2K12的乔丹。

[–]Mavericks DirkNowitzkisWife 30 points 7 hours ago

He’s shooting 380% from three his past 20 games or so. If Giannis can get to the conference finals and show out in the playoffs, I think a guy who averages 27/13/6 on 630% true shooting and all defense level defense may be a top 1 player in the league.

独行侠球迷：曩昔大要20场角逐他三分线外的射中率是380%。假如字母哥能率队打进分区决赛，而且在季后赛里打身世价，我感觉这么一个场均27+13+6，真实射中率630%，并且有着顶尖戍守能力的球员也许是同盟第一人。

[–]Warriors tossinkittens 13 points 6 hours ago

Considering he's shooting 240% from three for the season, he must've had an utterly abysmal first 45 games.

勇士球迷：他这个赛季的三分射中率是240%，这申明他之前45场角逐的三分惨不忍睹啊。

[–]Mavericks DirkNowitzkisWife 18 points 6 hours ago

There was a time he was at like 120% but it didn’t matter because he was shooting like 2 a game and shooting 770% at the rim for the season. He’s shooting 63.60% from 2 and no one knows how to stop him.5，

独行侠球迷：他的三分射中率一度只有120%，不外不主要，由于他每场出手大要2次，全部赛季770%的出手都是篮下，并且他的两分球射中率是63.6，没人知道若何禁止他。

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[–]Kekukoka 66 points 12 hours ago

Yes, the biggest thing is just effort. AD legitimately looks like he could give you 35/15/5 if he wanted to, but half-asses the majority of his minutes in every game.

是的，最年夜的分歧在在二人的尽力。戴维斯这类球员，你感受只要他想，他就可以打出35+15+5的数据，可是他每场角逐的年夜部门时候都是划水。

[–]ihaditsoeasy 64 points 10 hours ago

I mean even this season he's averaging 26.8/12.3/4. I know we are supposed to hate him now but the dude is a beast. I honestly think that if you replace Giannis with AD on the current Bucks they would still be a dominant team.

我感觉吧，哪怕是这个赛季，戴维斯的数据也有26.8+12.3+4啊。我知道我们此刻应当喷他，可是这哥们儿是个野兽啊。说真话，我感觉如果你用他去替代字母哥，那雄鹿仍然会是一支很有统治力的球队。

[–]Celtics sahsan10 24 points 10 hours ago

A good team yes, but nah I don’t see the bucks being top 2 record good with Davis instead.

凯尔特人球迷：那会是一支好球队，没错，可是我不感觉如果用戴维斯换失落字母哥，雄鹿的战绩能进同盟前二。

[–]ihaditsoeasy 17 points 10 hours ago

I'm not sure. Stats wise they are pretty close and Davis isn't playing with motivation or within a system as good as Bud's.

我不肯定。就看数据的话，他俩很接近。并且戴维斯打球的动力不足，他所处的球队系统也比不上雄鹿的。

[–]NBA fuckyouraesthetic 38 points 9 hours ago

Giannis's superior playmaking is much more valuable than ADs rim protection.

字母哥在组织能力上的头角峥嵘可要比戴维斯超卓的护框能力主要很多。

[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 284 points 12 hours ago*

Mostly because of mindset. Giannis is just willing to do the little stuff and dirty work consistently that's necessary.

To be more, specific I don't think AD is really below average in terms of focus / willingness to do that kind of stuff; Giannis is just really high on that.

鹈鹕球迷：年夜部门仍是由于两人的意识差别。字母哥就愿意不竭地干那种球队需要他去做的脏活累活。

说得更大白点，就做这类工作的专注度和意愿来讲，我不认为戴维斯的意愿是低在平均水准的，只是字母哥在这方面的意愿真的很高。

[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 126 points 12 hours ago

AD floats through games while Giannis tries to take over. If AD played with Giannis energy he would be clear cut better.

鹈鹕球迷：戴维斯划水的时辰，字母哥倒是争夺接收角逐。假如戴维斯能打得像字母哥那样能量实足，那他较着会更强。

[–]Bucks The_Hot_Sauce_ 13 points 10 hours ago

In which way? Davis has never had as great of a season that Giannis is having now.

雄鹿球迷：你从哪方面看出的？戴维斯还从未打出过字母哥本赛季这么好的表示吧。

[–]Celtics k0ala_ 35 points 9 hours ago

I mean he was before the trade request started. 27/12/4 on 600% TS with 2.5 blocks a game

凯尔特人球迷：我感觉呢，在离队这出闹剧之前，戴维斯的场都可是27+12+4啊，真实射中率有600%，并且场均2.5帽。

[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 84 points 12 hours ago

I think AD's energy level is not atypical for players like him. And we've seen him turn it on like he did on the back half of last year. But Giannis has played this entire season at that level. It's a consistency thing to me.

鹈鹕球迷：我感觉对戴维斯这类球员来讲，戴维斯本身的球场活力有些不正常。上赛季背靠背角逐的时辰我们看过他打得很亢奋，可是字母哥这个赛季一向都很有活力啊，我感觉这是持久力的问题。

[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 47 points 12 hours ago*

I agree he likes winning more than he hates losing. Guys who hate losing brings it every night.

鹈鹕球迷：我赞成，比起对输球的憎恨，戴维斯对赢球的喜悦更多。常常是那些更憎恨掉败的人材会每场都打得很拼。

[–][BKN] Markel Brown laboratory_koala 19 points 7 hours ago

Best way to put it. You need the absolute hatred of failure to hit the highest peak consistently over a long career.

Interestingly, I think LeBron WAS someone who loved winning more than hated losing... Then the heat/mavs finals happened. Changed him fundamentally, and I think without it he never truly challenges Jordan for GOAT (and he's still not quite there IMO, but thats a debate for another time)

篮网球迷：你这么说是最公道的。你必需要具有那种对掉败的绝对憎恨，才能到达生活生计巅峰，并将这类状况持久保持下去。

成心思的是，我感觉詹姆斯之前就是那种更在意赢球快感的球员……然后呈现了热火和独行侠的总决赛。那次掉利从底子上改变了詹姆斯的设法，我感觉如果没有那年总决赛的掉利，他毫不会真正和乔丹去竞争史上最好(我感觉他此刻还没到阿谁境界，不外大师最少有得一争)。

[–]Pelicans DowntownDeaux 9 points 7 hours ago

I agree that Heat/Mavs series mAde Lebron an animal. I thinks it’s beca he never experienced and defeat like that before and never wanted to deal with it again.

鹈鹕球迷：我赞成，是热火和独行侠的那轮总决赛将詹姆斯打造成了一支野兽。我感觉是由于他之前从未履历过那种掉利，从未想过本身要再次面临这类场合排场。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook EggYinz 20 points 9 hours ago

I'm guessing with LeBron missing the playoffs and Giannis winning mvp I'm guessing there will be a bunch of Giannis is the new best player in the NBA articles this summer

雷霆球迷：我感觉，现在詹姆斯都无缘季后赛了，字母哥如果拿下MVP的话，我猜炎天会有一年夜堆文章说“字母哥是同盟新晋第一人”。

[–]Timberwolves PFhelpmePlan 10 points 8 hours ago

Hard to argue that they're wrong if the Bucks make a deep playoff run.

丛林狼球迷：假如雄鹿在季后赛走得很远的话，那你都没法辩驳。

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[–]Spurs Texszn 29 points 12 hours ago

Since last year, yes.

马刺球迷：从上赛季最先字母哥就超了。

[–]Hawks HoodwinkedBamboozled 104 points 12 hours ago

Not even a discussion anymore

老鹰球迷：都不需要会商了。

[–]Pistons waman2k7 66 points 12 hours ago

Without a doubt. Guy is only gonna get better to, has a real shot to be the best of his generation.

活塞球迷：这是毫无疑问的，他只会愈来愈强，并且他真的很有机遇成为他这代球员中的一哥。

[–]Raptors GentlemanHere 20 points 8 hours ago

too

猛龙球迷：我也这么感觉。

[–]Thomas MuellerGOAT 125 points 12 hours ago

absolutely

I know I will get downvoted but the recent stretch shows something I personally had already in mind since last year - ADs stats might be kinda empty

绝对的啊，我知道有人会踩我，不外近期的工作映证了我从上赛季就持有的不雅点——戴维斯的数据也许有点空砍。

[–]Knicks tmall11 175 points 12 hours ago

Yes. Always thought AD never took the next step that Giannis did this year

尼克斯球迷：是啊，我一向都感觉，戴维斯绝对没法获得像字母哥这个赛季这么年夜的前进。

[–][MIN] Kevin Garnett Pseudoineffectual 100 points 11 hours ago

Pelicans with AD off the floor: -2.9

Bucks with Giannis off the floor: +3.8

AD has a superior RPM and PER, an inferior coach, and is clearly better defensively (at least when locked in).

You thought that AD's stats were empty when he swept the third seed en route to the semifinals? Give me a break. The only argument that I see for Giannis is that he has healthy and competent teammates and a considerably better coach. He could surpass him, but I'll need more evidence than his team coincidentally doing well.

丛林狼球迷：戴维斯下场时鹈鹕的正负值：-2.9

字母哥下场时雄鹿的正负值：+3.8

戴维斯的进献值和小我效力值都更高，他的锻练程度比不上布登霍尔泽，并且他的戍守较着更好。

他可是率队横扫西部第三进入过西部季后赛半决赛的，你感觉他的数据是空砍？歇歇吧。

我感觉字母哥独一能辩论的处所在在他的队友很健康并且很靠谱，他的锻练也要利害很多。他也许是超出了字母哥，可是你不克不及仅凭他的球队恰好表示也很好就来下此结论啊。

[–]Rockets Mikegetscalls 8 points 4 hours ago

He was avg 29 and 13 before the drama... what more is he supposed to do?

火箭球迷：戴维斯在离队闹剧之前场均29分13板……你们还想他怎样做？？

[–]Lakers FirmCattle 24 points 5 hours ago

yeah. but impact on the court is very different imo.

湖人球迷是，可是我感觉他俩在场上的影响力是有很年夜不同的。

[–]Pelicans nola_fan 24 points 5 hours ago

Up until this year the only difference between the Bucks and Pelicans is that the Bucks are in the East. It's hard to judge too much off of this year because the whole trade debacle, plus injuries really killed the pelicans, and who knows what would've happened in the pelicans had a coach as good as the Bucks.

鹈鹕球迷：这个赛季之前，他俩独一的不同在在雄鹿和鹈鹕的不同，并且雄鹿还在东部。就凭这个赛季是欠好去下结论的，由于全部买卖事务让球队崩溃，伤病也确切毁了鹈鹕，并且啊，假如鹈鹕的锻练也像布登霍尔泽那末利害，那会是如何呢。

[–]76ers thisdudefux 58 points 12 hours ago

Everyone has been waiting for AD to take that final step and has largely been bolstered up by a lot of what if's and empty stats on an unsuccessful team. Yes, hes a freak. Yes, he's talented. But Giannis is enforcing his will every night on the floor and makes his team more likely to win/continue winning

76人球迷：人人都在等着戴维斯走出终究的一年夜步，并且良多人都被年夜量的“假如”，和戴维斯在一支其实不成功的球队的空砍数据弄飞腾了。

是的，他是个怪物。是的，他很有先天。可是，字母哥每场角逐都在场上揭示本身壮大的意志力，促使本身的球队尽量延续地赢球。

[–]Delicious Squash 33 points 10 hours ago

Let’s be fair and take into account that the Bucks have put a much better synergistic team around him and they also have one of the best coaches in the NBA right now. AD swept a 3 seed in the playoffs last year and then unfortunately had to run into one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.

我们公允点，要知道雄鹿环绕字母哥打造的系统可是要强太多，并且他们的锻练也是同盟顶尖的。戴维斯上赛季可是在季后赛中横扫西部第三的，只是后面不幸碰着了NBA史上最强王朝之一。

[–][CHI] Dennis Rodman DoobieHauserMC 18 points 6 hours ago

AD didn’t sweep the Blazers, the Pelicans did. Jrue and Rondo were huge for them

公牛球迷：横扫开辟者的不是戴维斯，是鹈鹕。那时霍乐迪和隆多是很要害的。

[–][LAL] Elgin Baylor WordsAreSomething 12 points 12 hours ago

I think it's kinda hard to judge because of their situations. Giannis' situation went from not great to great because the Bucks hired a great coach.

AD's situation went to other way, but a big part of that was his own doing.

If you're taking away that context then Giannis is clearly better this year

湖人球迷：我感觉他俩孰强孰弱有点难以弃取，由于际遇分歧，就由于雄鹿找了个好锻练，字母哥的景况从一般到超卓。

戴维斯的际遇则是相反的，不外年夜部门都是靠他本身的尽力。

假如你们不斟酌这个布景的话，那末这个赛季的字母哥明显是更利害的。

[–]Jazz Aerdith 11 points 12 hours ago

I don't think that is fair to Giannis. Coach Bud has transformed the team, but his hard work, leadership, and loyalty have allowed the Bucks to develop and grow along with him.

爵士球迷：我感觉你这么说对字母哥是不公允的。简直是布登霍尔泽革新了这支球队，不外恰是有了字母哥的尽力、带领力和虔诚，雄鹿才得以在他的陪同下强大起来。

[–]Lakers JesusH_Cox_MD 18 points 11 hours ago

Giannis is nowhere near being in his prime and already he's better and has bigger impact. We're not ready for what hes gonna become.

湖人球迷：字母哥此刻远未到达小我巅峰，可他的实力和影响力已强在戴维斯了。他今后会有多壮大，我们都还没预备好。

[–]Lakers flaminglips 22 points 6 hours ago

AD is only a year older than Giannis and averaged 30pts/13reb just last year in the playoffs. People in this thread acting like AD is some washed up player past his prime.

湖人球迷：戴维斯才比字母哥年夜一岁罢了啊，并且就在上赛季的季后赛里，他的场都可是30分13板啊。这个帖子里的人都弄得像戴维斯是那种巅峰期已过的过气球员一样。

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编译：云长刮个痧