亚博：科尔治下有没有库里战绩对照| 他和 KD谁是勇士最强

Warriors in the Steve Kerr era: 254-47 with Steph Curry 22-19 without Steph Curry

Just goes to show how important Curry is to the Warriors , not their best player but their most important. It 's crazy

勇士在科尔执教期间,有库里的环境下254 胜47 负,没有库里的环境下22 胜19 负.

这足以申明库里对勇士的主要性,也许不是勇士最好的球员,可是最主要的阿谁.太疯狂了.

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[–][CLE ] LeBron James kingpc 1100 points 17 hours ago

Can someone please do this stat with and without Draymond ? curious too see although it ’s a small sample

詹姆斯球迷：有人能找找格林的这类数据吗.虽然说样本很小,可是我很好奇啊.

[–]Warriors SharksFanAbroad 535 points 16 hours ago

Yup , would love to see this for Klay and KD too.

勇士球迷：对啊,还想看看克莱和杜兰特的.

[–]nowhathappenedwas 466 points 13 hours ago

Last year , the Dubs were 9-5 without KD and 3-6 without Klay (though Curry missed nearly all of the games Klay missed ).

In 2016-2017 , the Dubs were 16-4 without KD and 1-3 without Klay.

上赛季,勇士在杜兰特缺阵的环境下9 胜5 负,克莱缺阵的环境下3 胜6 负(不外所有克莱缺席的角逐,库里几近也都缺席了).

2016/17 赛季,勇士在杜兰特缺阵的环境下16 胜4 负,没有克莱的环境下1 胜3 负.

[–][BOS ] Jaylen Brown Soshi101 444 points 13 hours ago

So you 're telling me....Klay > KD ?

杰伦-布朗球迷：所以你是在告知我……克莱>杜兰特？

[–][MIN ] Rasho Nesterovic AlongCamePollyIsBae 228 points 13 hours ago

How did the Warriors do in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 without KD ?

The most important thing KD did for the Warriors was take himself off the Thunder. They do not need him at all.

丛林狼球迷：14/15 赛季和15/16 赛季勇士没有杜兰特的环境下战绩咋样呢？

杜兰特为勇士做过最主要的事就是分开雷霆,他们已不再需要KD 了.

[–]Warriors Kal-Kent 67 points 13 hours ago

They would have lost last year to Houston without KD

勇士球迷：如果没有杜兰特的话,我勇上赛季就在季后赛输给火箭了.

[–][MIN ] Rasho Nesterovic AlongCamePollyIsBae 98 points 13 hours ago

Yeah , maybe.

But we would have seen an entirely different game plan from the Warriors. It 's not like they 'd just try to use Harrison Barnes exactly like they use KD.

Also , if KD doesn 't go to the Warriors , maybe the Rockets never trade for CP3.

丛林狼球迷：没错,也许吧.

可是假如没有杜兰特的话,勇士的角逐策略也会完全分歧啊.他们又不会把巴恩斯完全当杜兰特用.

并且呢,假如杜兰特没有去勇士,也许火箭也不会买卖来保罗呢.

[–]DCJon 20 points 13 hours ago

How many games of the 22-19 w/ Curry out were they also missing at least one of Draymond , Klay or KD ?

库里缺阵时勇士的22 胜19 负里,格林、克莱和杜兰特最少也有一人缺阵的角逐有几多场呢？

[–][GSW ] Klay Thompson ILikeAllThings 30 points 10 hours ago *

Huh , this is what I looked up as well , and had to go to the box scores , ugh. Do not recommend. Numbers since 2014-2015 though.

Warriors ' record when only Curry is missing: 13-9

Warriors ' record when Curry +1 other All-star is out: 9-10

Warriors ' record when 4 All-stars are out: 0-3

Something is clear. Warriors aren 't good when missing 4 + All-stars.

汤普森球迷：嗯,这个我也查了的,还去翻了比分统计,不保举你们去找.自14/15 赛季以来的数据以下：

只有库里不打的环境下,勇士13 胜9 负；

在库里和另外一个全明星不打的环境下,勇士9 胜10 负；

四个全明星都不打的环境下,勇士0 胜3 负.

所以很较着了,四个全明星都缺阵的环境下,勇士是不可的.

[–]Wizards livefreeordont 57 points 13 hours ago

yeah KD 's talents are a lot more apparent in the playoffs when he can just shoot over double teams and will get at least 30 points no matter what. He 's always a good option to go to in the clutch

奇才球迷：没错,杜兰特的先天在季后赛中要较着的多,他可以在包夹下投篮,不管如何都能拿到30 +.并且他在要害时刻一向都是个很好的进攻选择.

[–][GSW ] Wilt Chamberlain spiiicychips 15 points 13 hours ago

Except last night apparently. Draymond made sure of that lmao

勇士球迷：很较着除昨晚.格林包管了这一点,哈哈哈.

[–]nowhathappenedwas 94 points 13 hours ago

Last year , the Dubs were 10-2 without Green and 17-14 without Curry (including 2-5 while missing both Curry and Klay ).

In 2016-2017 , the Dubs were 5-1 without Green and 2-1 without Curry.

上赛季,勇士在没有格林的环境下10 胜2 负,没有库里时17 胜14 负(包罗库里和克莱同时缺阵时的2 胜5 负).

16/17 赛季,勇士在没有格林时5 胜1 负,没有库里时2 胜1 负.

[–]Spurs mrjowei 21 points 13 hours ago

I wonder if Warriors take this to determine their future core. They can 't resign all of them to Max contracts. Green should take the biggest paycut here IMO.

马刺球迷：我好奇勇士会不会在决议将来的焦点声势时考量这些数据.究竟他们不成能全数用顶薪续约他们.我感觉格林应当最年夜幅度的减薪.

[–]Heat MrWhiteside97 37 points 13 hours ago

I think Green will be forced to just because his game won 't age as well as the others '. Klay and Durant will be effective until their mid thirties , but if Green starts to lose a step it 'll show. I can see a team signing him to big money for maybe 3 years , but if he wants a 5 year deal I don 't think he 's worth anything close to the max.

热火球迷：我感觉格林不能不这么做,由于他在年数加年夜以后,角逐中的表示并没有其他人那末好.克莱和杜兰特到了三十五六还能很高效,可假如格林最先下滑的话,那会闪现出来的.我可以预感有球队也许会与他签下3 年期的年夜合同,但他如果想要五年长约的话,我感觉他配不上.

[–]Bulls wowanotherburner 19 points 12 hours ago

Someone will offer him a max , tons of teams will have cap space. The question is how much of a discount would he be willing to take to keep GSW together.

公牛球迷：会有球队为他供给顶薪的,良多球队的薪资空间还很年夜.问题是,为了连结勇士现有的人员设置装备摆设,格林情愿牺牲几多.

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[–]Knicks smileyfrown 1363 points 17 hours ago

Looked it up , in the Curry-Durant era they are...

18-10 when Durant plays and no Curry

24-3 when Curry plays and no Durant

So maybe you should be greatful that Durant is holding back a Curry lead team

尼克斯球迷：我查了查,在库里和杜兰特联袂的时期,勇士战绩以下：

杜兰彪炳场,库里缺阵时,勇士18 胜10 负；

库里进场,杜兰特缺阵时,勇士24 胜3 负.

所以也许我们应当对阿杜心存感谢感动,由于他牵制了库里带领下的勇士.

[–]eeeeeeethan 475 points 16 hours ago

some of those Durant plays no Curry games they also didn 't have Dray or Klay , most happened last season

有些杜兰特打库里不打的角逐里,格林或克莱也是没打的,上赛季良多次都是如许.

[–][GSW ] Calbert Cheaney swollencornholio 304 points 13 hours ago

I remember it being pretty hilarious...it seemed like they kept removing players to see if KD could still win. They rolled out a KD-Klay-Cook-Javale-Bell line up with no Iguodala or Livingston coming off the bench and beat Memphis.

勇士球迷：我记得这是很弄人的……仿佛我勇一向在用让要害球员不打的体例来看看杜兰特独自带队是否是还能赢.2017 年12 月20 日,他们就排出了一套阿杜-克莱-麦基-贝尔-库克的首发声势,替补人员中也没有伊戈达拉和利文斯顿,可是仍是克服了灰熊.

[–]Bulls Epawd 159 points 13 hours ago

Honestly that team still doesn ’t seem that bad to me lmao.

公牛球迷：说真话啊,我感觉这套声势看着也不错啊,哈哈哈

[–][NYK ] Tracy McGrady HoboWithAGlock 175 points 13 hours ago

I ’d kill to have a team that good.

尼克斯球迷：如果有这么不错的球队,我会兴奋死的.

[–][GSW ] Stephen Curry patricksimon1 97 points 16 hours ago

That Curry without Durant record is primarily because of the Toaster ..

库里球迷：在没有杜兰特的环境下,库里带队能打出那种战绩首要仍是由于阿谁面包机……

(17 年3 月份,一位球迷在克莱-汤普森的签名勾当上递给了他一个面包机.尔后,勇士在赛季余下的角逐中获得了31 胜2 负的绝佳战绩,此中在总决赛第四场之前获得了15 胜0 负的汗青第一季后赛战绩.)

[–]Warriors belizeanheat 71 points 15 hours ago

The toaster streak was entirely without Durant.

勇士球迷：那波面包机连胜真的是完全没有杜兰特的.

[–]Warriors RealDannyMM 40 points 13 hours ago

Without KD 2015: 67 wins

Without KD 2016: 73 wins

With KD 2017: 67 wins

With KD 2018: 58 wins

勇士球迷：14/15 赛季,没有杜兰特时：67 胜；

15/16 赛季,没有杜兰特时：73 胜；

16/17 赛季,有杜兰特时：67 胜；

17/18 赛季,有杜兰特时,58 胜.

[–]Suns sunsbr 30 points 12 hours ago

58 wins because of injuries warriors was the 1 seed before the injuries

太阳球迷：上赛季常规赛58 胜是由于伤病太多啊,那些伤病之前勇士仍是西部第一的.

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[–]Supersonics InternationalGrape8 758 points 16 hours ago

Curry is more valuable than Durant.

超音速球迷：库里比杜兰特更有价值.

[–]IguessthatsAname 400 points 14 hours ago

And therefore better. I don 't understand why people don 't get this

所以说库里更强啊,我真不大白为何有些人不睬解这一点.

[–][SAS ] Manu Ginobili pintvricchio 9 points 13 hours ago

Not in the finals.

吉诺比利球迷：总决赛里可不是这回事啊.

[–]Wizards livefreeordont 18 points 13 hours ago

Horford is more valuable than Kyrie on the Celtics. Is he also the better player ?

奇才球迷：霍福德在凯尔特人队内可比欧文要更有价值啊,莫非他也是更强的吗？

[–]Pistons farts_on_boobs 22 points 13 hours ago *

More valuable does not equal better , is why "people don ’t get this."

An 85 inch TV is better than a 美金3 floaty , but it ’s certainly not more valuable to the guy who ’s drowning.

活塞球迷：更有价值其实不是更强,所以"有些人不睬解这一点".

一台85 英寸的电视机比一个3 美金的救生圈更好吧,可是对一个将近灭顶的人而言,电视机绝对不是更有价值的.

[–][GSW ] James Michael McAdooTyre77 324 points 13 hours ago

Because value to a team and individual talent aren 't the same thing.

Look , if Curry is hot then the world should be on notice. His "gravity", his effect on the game , his threat of both driving to the rim (and not getting calls ) and shooting from anywhere within 120 feet of the basket—these are all insane.

But if we need a single bucket , then I believe KD is the better person to have the ball. As a pure scorer , he 's the one I 'd go to.

勇士球迷：由于对球队的价值和小我的先天其实不是同等的.

听着,假如库里火力全开的话,那全球都知道要产生甚么了.他的"库有引力" ,他对照赛的影响,他冲击篮筐(还得不到犯规)和在任何位置出手所带来的要挟,这些都太疯狂了.

可假如我们需要一次得分,那末我感觉杜兰特是更好的持球人.究竟单就得分能力而言,我会选他.

[–]Raptors 2Pac_Okur 226 points 13 hours ago

but the goal of basketball is neither to be a pure scorer nor is it to get 1 basket.

猛龙球迷：可是篮球角逐的方针既不是做一个纯得分手,也不是某次得分啊.

[–][GSW ] James Michael McAdooTyre77 92 points 13 hours ago

Yes , and that 's why I 'd much rather have Curry than Durant on our team.

But when people say "I don 't understand how anyone could differentiate between Curry being more valuable and Durant being a better individual player ," well , there is a difference between the two. We can evaluate individuals separately from their value to/effects on a team.

(Most of the time. Westbrook 's MVP was an instance where I think people conflated the two , assuming triple doubles were by default valuable to the team.)

勇士球迷：没错,所以比拟杜兰特,我更愿意库里在我们队里.

可是当大师说"我不睬解竟然有人会把库里更有价值和杜兰特是更强的小我球员这辨别开来" 时,行吧,这二者仍是有区分的.我们可以别离从他们对球队的价值和影响力来评判他们小我.

(年夜大都环境都是如斯.威斯布鲁克博得MVP 的赛季表示就是个例子,我感觉大师混合了两种概念,感觉拿下三双就天经地义地是对球队有价值的.)

[–]Raptors takeyababynoharambe 51 points 13 hours ago

Being a better contributor to your team 's success should generally mean you 're the better player , at least imo. If you do a better job of making your team win , you 're better at basketball. It should not just be 1v1 skill

猛龙球迷：成为对球队的成功做出更年夜进献者,这就应当意味着你是个更强的球员,我的不雅点就是如许.假如你为了球队的成功所做的工作更超卓,那你就更强.这不该该单轮1 对1 的技能.

[–]Lakers BromaEmpire 45 points 13 hours ago

If you could throw Durant or Curry on the Cavs right now , who do you think would have the bigger impact ?

湖人球迷：如果你把库里或杜兰特放到此刻的骑士队内,那你感觉谁会更有影响力呢？

[–]Bucks lupe_the_jedi 6 points 7 hours ago

Curry easy

雄鹿球迷：简单,库里

[–]Celtics bustedracquet 25 points 12 hours ago

Curry for sure.

凯尔特人球迷：必定是库里.

[–]Warriors The_Great_Saiyaman21 13 points 8 hours ago

I think anywhere ball is being played 5 on 5 Curry will be better.

勇士球迷：我感觉只如果打5 对5 ,库里都更好.

[–]rambouhh 32 points 13 hours ago

Part of the reason Curry is so important to the warriors is because of who 's around him. The team is perfect to capitalize his strengths. I believe that curry is more valuable to the warriors but if you put curry on the worst team in the nba or durant on the worst team in the nba durant would make them better.

库里之所以这么主要,部门缘由是他身旁的队友.勇士这支球队可以完善地揭示库里的优点,我相信库里对勇士是更有价值的,可是假如你把库里或杜兰特放到NBA 最菜鸡的队里,那杜兰特带队的结果会更好.

[–][GSW ] Monta Ellis baby_hooper 14 points 12 hours ago *

Idk in 2013 Curry took a core of 4 rookies and a sophomore klay Thompson to the WCSF and doggone almost beat the spurs by himself. Steph ’s gotten A LOT better since then , and would make a really bad team really good

勇士球迷：那我就不知道了.2013 年库里可是带着4 个新秀和二年秀克莱打进了西部半决赛啊,差点凭一己之力干失落马刺啊.

库里在那以后就强了很多多少,他是可以或许让一支菜队变强的.

[–]Bucks kabman7 399 points 19 hours ago

Their best player.why are people afraid to admit he ’s better than kd.

雄鹿球迷：库里就是勇士最强的球员啊.怎样大师都惧怕认可他比阿杜强呢？

[–]penifSMASH 178 points 16 hours ago

Because Curry is not physically dominating and basketball fans have trouble acknowledging someone like that as a legend

由于库里在身体上其实不具有统治力,篮球迷有点难在认可这类类型的球员是个传奇.

[–]Raptors _TheresMyChippy_ 200 points 19 hours ago

Curry is absolutely their best player

猛龙球迷：库里绝对是勇士最强的球员.

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[–]jacklawley 1578 points 18 hours ago

Best point guard in the league.

同盟最好控卫.

[–]Wizards jyukuilzdf 74 points 11 hours ago

This is so obvious it didn 't even need to be said.

奇才球迷：这太较着了,都不需要说.

[–][BOS ] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 346 points 14 hours ago

Best point guard of all time.

拉里-伯德球迷：史上最好控卫.

[–]Lakers SpitCumIntoMyAsshole 123 points 14 hours ago

stop

湖人球迷：吹够了啊.

[–]VoHiYo123 18 points 13 hours ago

Looks like someone just started watching basketball 3 years ago.

有些人似乎3 年前才最先看篮球一样.

[–][BOS ] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 74 points 14 hours ago

Just my opinion. I 'd take him over Magic because I prefer what Curry offers. Curry offers a completely unprecedented and unique skill set that I think is unmatched in how utterly devastating it is and how consistently he does the impossible.

Magic is my 2nd and it 's incredibly close , obviously I 'd rather have Magic 's passing and a couple of other things but I prefer Curry.

拉里-伯德球迷：仅仅是我小我的不雅点啊,比拟魔术师,我更喜好库里,由于库里能揭示的内容更多.库里的技术包是完全史无前例且怪异的,我感觉这些技术的摧毁性和他延续做到那些不成能的不变性是无可对比的.

魔术师是我第二喜好的控卫,俩人很是接近,很明显,我喜好魔术师的传球和其他的一些能力,可是我更偏好库里.

[–]Spurs Syggie 154 points 14 hours ago

All those things you ’re mentioning were applied to Magic when he started playing.

马刺球迷：你说提到的那些技术全都合用在昔时的魔术师.

[–][DAL ] Tyronn Lue brian27610 16 points 13 hours ago

Best Scoring PG *

Magic is still the GOAT traditional PG

独行侠球迷：库里是最好分卫吧.

魔术师依然是史上最伟年夜的传统控卫.

[–]Wally450 16 points 13 hours ago

No FMVP hurts his case.

库里没有总决赛MVP 太伤了.

[–][BOS ] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 80 points 14 hours ago

Magic is my 2nd and it 's very close. I think each of them can impact a game nearly as significantly as each other , they just do it in different ways.

Now if you combined the two and gave Magic Curry 's shooting... oh my.

拉里-伯德球迷：魔术师是我第二喜好的控卫,我感觉他俩对照赛的影响力长短常接近的,只是体例分歧罢了.

假如把这俩人连系起来,让魔术师具有库里的投射……我的天呐.

[–]drakenthegreat 350 points 13 hours ago

Magic scored 42 points , grabbed 15 rebounds , 7 assists and 3 steals playing as a center , replacing an injured Kareem. In an NBA finals clinching game. As a rookie.

魔术师曾顶替受伤的贾巴尔打中锋,获得42 分15 板7 助.那仍是在总决赛的要害排场里,并且他那时仍是个菜鸟.

[–]Hawks hearthebeard 88 points 13 hours ago

He jumped , but he didn 't play center. That 's just a narrative from Laker fans.

老鹰球迷：他那时只是跳球的时辰出任中锋,但角逐里没有打中锋.那只是湖人球迷的一面之词而已.

[–]Lakers mizatt 92 points 13 hours ago

He started at center but they brought in Chones who actually played center for 43 minutes of the game

湖人球迷：他是首发中锋,可是湖人又把吉姆 ·乔内斯派上来打了43 分钟的中锋.

[–]Celtics arcangeltx 173 points 13 hours ago

that 'sit ? not even a triple double smh

凯尔特人球迷：魔术师那时就那末回事吗？乃至都没拿到三双哦,咦

[–]Thunder CRAZYPLATlNUM 54 points 13 hours ago

Westbrook >magic confirmed

雷霆球迷：威少>魔术师没跑了

[–]NBA zxc123zxc123 63 points 13 hours ago

Greatest thing about Magic & Curry is that I can see both of them working out great with each other. They would both get along , would have great synergy despite both being officially PGs , and opposing teams would just be infatuated fan boys at their kindness and charisma.

Can 't say the same if prime MJ & Kobe were your guards.

魔术师和库里最利害的一点是,我感觉他们合作的话会打的很是好.他们会很合得来,虽然说都是正经的空位,可是会很有默契,敌手会被他俩的友爱和魅力所折服的.

如果巅峰期的乔丹和科比同伴出任后场的话,就不是这么回事了.

[–]Lakers fatfrost 42 points 13 hours ago

MJ and Kobe would kill each other but only after murdering everyone else on the team , the coach and the entire front office. All these dudes have competitive fire but those motherfuckers were insane.

湖人球迷：那乔丹和科比会同室操戈的,不外在此之前,他们先回干失落每一个队友、锻练,还全部治理层.这些人都很有竞争欲,可是这两人太特么疯了.

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