亚博：湖人年青人先天是不是真有潜力? 是吹嘘仍是被高估|

Are we overrating the Lakers young talent ?

我们高估湖人这帮年青人的先天了吗？

I see a lot of Lakers fans saying that Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Ball are not worth trading for any star this year. But every time I watch them play all I see is guys getting their stats but not playing winning basketball. How can all these young guys have this much hype and not produce a winning product on the floor with the best basketball player in the world ?

我看到良多湖蜜说,英格拉姆、库兹马、哈特和鲍尔这个赛季已不具有买卖任何球星的价值.我每次看他们打球的时辰,我只知道他们固然都能刷数据,但打得其实不是成功篮球.这帮球员遭到这么多热捧,而且还和世界最好篮球活动员并肩战役,那他们怎样就不克不及在场上为球队带来成功呢？

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[–]Thunder nuhx 2045 points 13 hours ago

Young talent in general is really overrated in the NBA. NBA fans rate young players more about what they ideally can be than what they actually are right now. They are always assuming the young talent will improve consistently year by year under ideal circumstances.

雷霆球迷：年夜体而言,年青人的先天在NBA 都是被高估的.NBA 球迷对年青人进行评价时更多地是根据他们此后抱负的成长前景,而并不是他们当下真实的实力.在某种抱负化的设定下,大师老是感觉有先天的年青人会年复一年地延续前进.

[–][CLE ] LeBron James Scatteredbrain 115 points 11 hours ago

yea like BI turning into Durant

骑士球迷：是的,就比如说英格拉姆成长为杜兰特.

[–][GSW ] Draymond Green jthc 115 points 10 hours ago

He ’s got the body of Durant , but not the shot. And Durant was a great shooter before he even got to the NBA.

勇士球迷：他有阿杜的身段,可是没有他的投篮.小帅进入NBA 之前就已是一位超卓的投手了.

[–]Celtics gampo 57 points 8 hours ago

Also , Durant has a really fluid handle. BI isn 't close to that.

凯尔特人气密：并且阿杜的控球真的很流利,英格拉姆还差得远啊.

[–]Sullan 08 45 points 5 hours ago

Also just better at literally everything else lol. Ingram is massively overrated as a future star.

小帅其他各方面一样都比英格拉姆强.说啥英格拉姆是将来的球星,他真的被严重高估了.

[–]Spurs kawhi_tho 74 points 9 hours ago

Michael Lewis talked about this in Moneyball. Scouts love young guys because they can imagine them growing up to be anything. It 's harder to do that with a 30 year old.

马刺球迷：迈克尔-刘易斯(美国今世陈述文学作家、财经记者)在《点球成金》一书中说过这点.那些球探们喜好年青球员,是由于他们可以假想那些年青人此后的任何可能性.如果去料想一个30 岁球员的将来的话,那就难多了.

[–]BubbaTee 43 points 8 hours ago

Of course I 'll trade (Player ) for a draft pick. A draft pick could be anything ! it could even be the next (Player )!

如果我也会用球员去换一个选秀权.究竟一个选秀权包括任何可能性！乃至多是下一个球星！

[–]Spurs kawhi_tho 48 points 6 hours ago

This is why the Lakers fans who thought Ingram had as much trade value as Kawhi were being stupid. Best-case scenario , Ingram turns out to be Kawhi. Kawhi already is Kawhi.

马刺球迷：所以说,那些感觉英格拉姆的买卖价值同等在卡哇伊的湖蜜是笨拙的.即使是最抱负的环境下,英格拉姆成了卡哇伊那种球员,可是卡哇伊此刻已是这个水准了.

[–]Lakers eldencampbell 23 points 8 hours ago

Young talent is always overrated but young Lakers talent is particularly overrated.

Kuzma is the only young Laker who plays with urgency on offense. He puts more pressure than Ingram on the defense because he makes his move/decision immediately. He 's a good finisher too.

Lonzo plays like you 're not allowed to dribble more than 3 times. He isn 't even testing that whole other dimension of passing that opens up through individual playmaking. It worries me.

I honestly don 't know what to make of Ingram. If we was a better shooter I could believe in the whole narrative of him still being so young/promising.

湖人球迷：有先天的年青人凡是是被高估的,不外湖人队里有先天的年青人尤甚.

库兹马是湖人队里独一在进攻端打出紧急感的年青人.他在戍守端施加的压力也比英格拉姆多,由于他能刹时做出移动/决议计划.他仍是个很优异的终结者.

鲍尔就打得像是锻练不答应他运球跨越3 次一样.这可真叫我焦急啊.

我真不知道怎样评价英格拉姆.假如他的投篮再强一些的话,那我还能相信那些说他依然年青且有前程的坊间谈吐.

[–]New Jersey Netslatman 55 points 11 hours ago

Jaylen Brown is a perfect example of this. Players almost never develop playmaking/passing skills if they don 't show signs of it at a young age.

杰伦-布朗就是个很好的例子.有些球员假如在年青的时辰没有显示出组织和传球的先天,那他们几近是没法开辟出这两个技术的.

[–][UTA ] Dell Curry DeathBySuplex 1069 points 12 hours ago

I blame 2k where players do naturally progress to an assumed peak.

Real world doesn ’t work that way.

爵士球迷：这锅2K 得背啊,究竟游戏里的球员都能天然而然地走向既定的巅峰.

实际世界则没有这么顺畅了.

[–][CHI ] Brian Scalabrine CoachDT 119 points 9 hours ago

I get called a hater for telling people this.

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Like last year with Lonzo , he definitely CAN progress into an all-NBA type player , he can fix his J , improve at attacking the basket , improve his free throw shooting to become the type of guy to average like 19/11/6.

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That doesn 't mean you assume thats going to happen and you have to take someone for what they are currently even if They 're only (insert arbitrary age )!. This isn 't me hating this is just me stating sometimes you get someone like Giannis that improves pretty consistently every year. Other times you get a Tyreke Evans or MCW. So assuming your young guys will just become stars is a bit silly.

公牛球迷：我由于这么跟人说被当作喷子.

就像上赛季的鲍尔,他绝对是可以或许成长为一位全明星级此外球员的,他可以改良本身的跳投,晋升攻筐的能力和罚球,从而成为一位场均19 +11 +6 的球员.

可是这其实不意味着你的假想就可以成为实际啊,你得参照实际来对待某个球员啊.这不是我喷,我只是陈说不雅点,有时辰你会碰着字母哥这类每一年都前进敏捷的球员,其他时辰你就会看到埃文斯和迈卡威.所以呢,料想你们队里的年青人会成为球星,这是有点蠢的.

[–]pev2 260 points 11 hours ago

That 's exactly what it is. A huge portion of the r/nba subscriber base does not regularly watch basketball. They watch the playoffs and occassional high-profile regular season games .

就是这么回事.这个专区的很年夜一部门球迷其实不是常常看篮球的.他们看季后赛,偶然看看高光集锦.

[–][LAL ] Pat Riley OBPing 403 points 10 hours ago

I remember back in the days in NBA2K1 when Kwame Brown , Tyson Chandler , Eddy Curry were rookies (yes I ’m going waaaay back ) the three of them would eventually go on to be the next Duncan , Shaq Hakeem.

湖人球迷：我还记适当年的2K1 ,里面的夸梅-布朗、泰森-钱德勒和埃迪-库里都仍是菜鸟(没错,这都是陈芝麻烂谷子的事儿了),游戏的设定是他们仨终究别离为成长为下一个邓肯、奥尼尔和奥拉朱旺.

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[–]Mavericks rvadarocket 277 points 13 hours ago

Yes , there ’s talent there , but it ’s not like they ’ve got multiple young All-Stars just waiting to happen

独行侠球迷：是的,湖人那帮年青人确切有先天,但这其实不意味着那几位小哥能天然成为全明星球员.

[–]Nuggets Wtfitzchris 76 points 10 hours ago *

Completely agree. Their young players aren 't bad , but they get overrated because they play for the Lakers. Take Ingram for example. 16/4/1 on 47/33/65 shooting splits is nothing special for a player in his third year , especially when you consider he 's below average defensively. I can 't help but think that if he played on the Magic or Kings , most casual fans would have already forgotten about him.

完全附和.湖人的年青球员是不错的,可是他们之所以被高估,是由于他们效率在湖人.就拿英格拉姆举例吧,16 +4 +1 的数据,470%、330%和650%的三项射中率对一个进入同盟已三年的球员来讲,没甚么特殊的,况且他的戍守还在平均水准之下.我就感觉吧,如果他在魔术或国王的话,年夜大都路人球迷也许已忘了他.

[–][CHI ] Brian Scalabrine CoachDT 54 points 9 hours ago

He 'd be an interesting player , if he played on the magic people would call him a worse Turkuglu or say thats his ceiling.

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However he plays in LA so suddenly dude is gonna be the next KD.

公牛球迷：那这个球员就成心思了,如果他为魔术效率的话,大师会叫他贫民版特科格鲁,或说他的上限就是特科格鲁.

可是呢,他在洛杉矶啊,所以忽然间,这哥们儿倒被吹成了下一个小帅.

[–][LAL ] Kobe Bryant Leaootemivel 38 points 8 hours ago

The dude got called a bust endlessly in his rookie year and even last year people were saying that his ceiling was Travis Outlaw.

科比球迷：英格拉姆处子赛季的时辰,良多人就没完没了地说他是水货,乃至是上赛季,大师还说他的上限也就是特拉维斯-奥特洛.

[–]Bucks Lanky_Kaleidoscope 128 points 10 hours ago

They have four young players that might not be far from becoming quality starters. Not many teams in the league have that. The Lakers genuinely do have good talent and it is definitely not out of the question one of their young players becomes an all star talent in their prime.

That said , people probably overrate the significance of that. Young talent can be squandered quickly. Once those guys have to be paid , team will have tough decisions to make. And those guys aren 't really doing that much more to help team win in short run than fairly average veterans.

Lakers are in good shape as far as young talent goes , but that doesn 't mean their team is very good at the moment and it also doesn 't mean that they are just gonna have some star studded team when those guys develop. Some could disappoint , some could surprise (more will disappoint probably cause fans are usually over-optimistic about young players ), but they all will be expensive to retain.

雄鹿球迷：湖人具有的这四个年青人也许很快就可以成为那种强力首发球员.同盟里有这类年青财富的球队可不多.湖人确切有很强的先天,并且他们这帮年青人里面也许有小我会在巅峰期进入全明星呢,这还真欠好说啊.

话虽这么说,大师也许仍是高估了此中的主要性.年青人的先天是可以很快就浪费失落的,一旦他们到了签约的时辰,那球队就面对着艰巨的决定了.并且比拟起那些一般的宿将,这些年青人在短时间内为球队取胜所做的进献现实并没有多出几多啊.

跟着年青人的成长,湖人正处在一种积极的态势下,不外这其实不意味着球队眼下是优异的,并且这也不克不及包管当这帮年青人成长起来之时,湖人就会成为一支星光熠熠的球队.有些球员会让人掉望,有些则带给人欣喜,但他们都是需要球队支出昂贵价格来留下的.

[–]Raptors bloopcity 114 points 12 hours ago

I think we overrate young players in general , unless they are a freak athlete/talent , most young players don 't contribute consistently until about 23. Ingram is 21 , give them time (unfortunately LeBron doesn 't have much of that ).

猛龙球迷：我感觉我们凡是城市高估年青人,除非他们是那种反常的先天或身体本质,年夜部门在23 岁之前是没法延续不变输出的.英格拉姆才21 嘛,给点时候(惋惜的是,勒布朗没有那末多时候期待).

[–]Lakers ashishvp 95 points 9 hours ago

That ’s honestly the reason why signing Lebron was so weird.

Don ’t get me wrong , it ’s fucking Lebron and I ’m stoked. But hes 34 ! He really doesn ’t fit with our rebuilding timeline.

湖人球迷：所以我才感觉签勒布朗很希奇.

别歪曲我啊,那可是特么的勒布朗啊,我很兴奋的.可是他都34 了！他真的不合适我们重建的时候线.

[–]Raptors bloopcity 64 points 9 hours ago

I thought you guys would ship out ingram and/or ball to get an immediate talent and try and keep Randle but this is where we are.

猛龙球迷：我之前还觉得你们会送出英格拉姆和/或球哥,从而获得一位具有即战力的先天型球员,然后再试着留下兰德尔呢,可是事实倒是此刻这个模样.

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[–][UTA ] Joe Ingles NitroXYZ 620 points 13 hours ago

Absolutely. If they where on the Magic or Grizzlies they wouldn 't get nearly as much attention.

英格尔斯球迷：绝对的.如果他们在魔术或灰熊的话,他们获得的存眷度要比此刻少的多啊.

[–]thehumangenius23 146 points 11 hours ago

This shit bothers me. The Lakers young guys still look talented , you can still see the individual talent. But the issue with the Lakers is that they ’re not playing well as a team. None of these guys are playing defined roles and the best looking one (Ingram ) was suspended for 4 games and missed opportunity to gel with the new line ups.

Lebron is a great player but adding him to the roster has massively changed things , they even started out a little better last year than this year. My issue with the team is Luke still somehow doesn ’t know what he has in each player and line up after weeks and weeks of training camps , summer league and games.

Also , it ’s noteworthy that a lot of these runs to close deficits come when Lebron is on the bench. He ’s not fitting in with the young guys , but he ’s damn Lebron so of course you gotta base your play around him.

这类屁话真的烦.湖人的年青人仍是很有先天的,你仍是能看获得他们小我的先天.可是湖人的问题是这帮年青人作为一个团队的表示不甚抱负.他们全都没有明白的脚色定位,并且看着最强的阿谁(英格拉姆)还被停赛四场,错过了与球队的新首发磨合的机遇.

虽然说勒布朗是个伟年夜的球员,可是引进他已对球队造成了剧变,湖人上赛季的开局乃至还要比这个赛季好点.我感觉球队的问题在在,履历过几周的练习营、夏日联赛和角逐事后,沃顿依然不知道本身对每一个球员和这套声势的放置是甚么.

另外,值得留意的是,良多缩小角逐分差的小飞腾都是勒布朗坐在替补席上的时辰打出来的,他和这帮年青人不搭,但谁叫他是特么的勒布朗呢,你必需得环绕他打啊.

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