亚博：司机称077应入选全明星|他和赌球罗斯谁更应入选？

[Sefko] Luka Doncic is No. 2 in Western Conference front-court voting for All-Star Game, to which Dirk Nowitzki said: "It’s Luka-mania. It’s real.

He definitely deserves to be up there. I’m not sure in front of KD and all these guys. But he’s been tremendously efficient and consistent."

据NBA记者EddieSefko报导，卢卡-东契奇今朝在全明星首轮投票中得票数高居西部前场球员第二。对此，德克-诺维茨基回应道：“这就是卢卡热度。这是真实的。他绝对配得上阿谁位置。我不肯定他是不是可以排在杜兰特和那些人之前，不外他这个赛季一向都很是的高效和不变。”

Dirk had a famously terrible rookie year (8/3/1 on 49.1 TS0%) for an all-time great, as he adjusted to the culture shock of living in the US as well as playing for an abysmal Mavericks team coming out of some of the most hapless years in professional sports. He has repeatedly said how he wasn't surprised that Luka's hit the ground running on his rookie year, given the assortment of accolades Luka racked up during his escapades in Europe.

对诺维茨基如许一名足以载入史册的球员而言，他的处子赛季是出了名地差(8+3+1，真实射中率49.10%)，由于他那时要历来美国糊口所面临的文化冲击中调剂过来，并且他那时所效率的独行侠更是一团糟，球队正在从队史上最为不利的那段期间中走出暗影。诺维茨基已屡次暗示过，他对东契奇处子赛季就可以敏捷打出水准其实不感应惊奇，究竟后者在欧洲就已斩获了各类声誉。

That said, he appears to be conscious of the fact that while Luka's rookie year (20/7/5 on 56.8 TS0%) deserves to be in the honorable mentions for All-Star, it's very much a popularity contest. Certainly, Luka's outsized following given his manic fandom overseas has contributed to his earning more votes than bonafide all-NBA players.

话虽如斯，诺维茨基仿佛也大白，虽然东契奇在处子赛季的表示(20+7+5，真实射中率56.80%)配得长进入全明星的声誉候选人之列，但这年夜部门仍是拜他的人气所赐。可以必定的是，东契奇的票数之所以能领先他死后那些实打实的顶级球星，他在海外的那些狂热粉丝是进献了很鼎力量的。

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[–]i-am-the-law-bitch 15 points 17 hours ago

No he doesn’t

不，他还配不上全明星。

[–]NBA urfaselol 699 points 16 hours ago

I don't think he'll get enough player and media votes to get it

我不感觉他能从球员和媒体手中获得足够的票数，从而进入全明星。

[–]Lakers jonsnowKITN 237 points 16 hours ago

That's why the players and media also vote as well. This sub needs to relax.

湖人球迷：所以球员和媒体也要投票啊。这个专区的某些人真得淡定点了。

[–]Suns isetmyfriendsonfire 20 points 11 hours ago

Same people that post the hourly ‘Luka All Star?’ probably complain about Zion and Trae coverage on espn

太阳球迷：每隔一个小时就发帖说‘卢卡全明星’的也是这些人吧？也许他们也会不爽ESPN对锡安和特雷-杨的报导。

[–]Clippers TheFurgusShow 154 points 14 hours ago

You never know with player votes, Booker was near the top of player voting last year and so far all I see other players do is praise Luka (such as LeBron mentioning him on players he'd like to play with)

快船球迷：球员投票也说不清啊，布克上赛季差点就成了球员投票中的票王，并且今朝为止，我看到其他球员对卢卡的评价就只有赞美(好比说詹姆斯就暗示想跟他一路打球)。

[–]Mavericks shaheedmalik 78 points 12 hours ago

KD, AD, LD.

独行侠球迷：KD，AD，LD

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili Shewshake 26 points 11 hours ago

Lebron has to get some kinda D to play with

吉诺比利球迷：勒布朗必需要和某个D合作啊。

[–]Paper BoyGleesh 31 points 11 hours ago

D wight Howard

D怀特-霍华德。

[–]Paper BoyGleesh 7 points 11 hours ago

Never had a big man that can smack balls like him or javale so that’s cool

他还从没和霍华德这类强力内线合作过啊，所以这个设法很酷。

[–]Mavericks Aikidi 1 point an hour ago

Rip Tristan

独行侠球迷：安眠吧，特里斯坦-汤普森

[–]Warriors MacDerfus 64 points 13 hours ago

I think rose will get player votes

勇士球迷：我感觉罗斯会获得球员选票。

[–]Mavericks gigantism[S] 330 points 16 hours ago

Luka doesn't deserve to go let alone start, but he definitely deserves an honorable mention along with guys like Klay, Gallinari, Conley, Gasol, Gobert, Capela, Adams, Booker, Fox, Murray, etc.

But Luka's definitely a more justifiable vote than a guy like Rose, Wade, or Zaza.

独行侠球迷：卢卡还配不上，更别说首发了，不外他绝对配得上和克莱、加里纳尼、康利、加索尔、戈贝尔、卡佩拉、亚当斯、布克、福克斯、穆雷等人一路被当作全明星候选人。

不外比起罗斯、韦德和扎扎这些人，东契奇绝对更有来由获得选票。

[–]Knicks ianiandinosour 11 points 13 hours ago

If All Star selections are based on performance and popularity then I think Luka probably should make it over those guys. I know these things tend to be given out as previous season achievement awards, but if Luka is generating this much hype, then I think he deserves it. And let’s face it, seeing Luka in the All Star Game would be fuckin wild

尼克斯球迷：假如全明星声势是基在小我表示和受接待的水平，那我感觉东契奇也许能胜出这些人入选。我知道大师轻易参考过往赛季的成绩和奖项，不外东契奇此刻正掀起一股高潮啊，那我就感觉他应当入选。面临实际吧，在全明星赛场看到东契奇的表演必定会特么的很炸。

[–]humachine 11 points 14 hours ago

I'm not entirely sure Klay should be there.

我都不克不及完全肯定克莱应当入选。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry GoldenStateWizards 3 points 4 hours ago

He shouldn't

勇士球迷：他不该该。

[–][MIA] Anfernee Hardaway ChaseH9499 288 points 15 hours ago

Look, if washed up, chucking 2016 Kobe made the ASG then there’s no reason Wade shouldn’t either

热火球迷：听着，要说球星实力年夜跌的话，2016年阿谁职业生活生计老年末年的科比都能入选全明星，凭啥韦德就不克不及。

[–]ImanShumpertplus 34 points 14 hours ago

Kobe was the face of the league at one point. Dwyane can’t even get his name spelled right. Kobe is in a different stratosphere

科比那时仍是同盟的门面啊。韦德的名字乃至都不克不及被拼对。科比已是另外一个层面了。

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili papa_sax 138 points 15 hours ago

It sets a precedent to start voting in washed up players just because past accomplishments. Personally I don't care for All Star votes, but I can see why some have issue with it

吉诺比利球迷：就由于科比过往的成绩，他为老年末年球员入选全明星开了先例。就小我而言，我不在意全明星投票，不外我能理解为啥有些人对此不爽。

[–][DEN] Chris Andersen ObeseKenyan 76 points 13 hours ago

It's not going to be overrun by washed up players, every 2 or 3 years there will be 1 HoFer who gets in and plays 10 mins. I'm fine with it. They need to be on a farewell tour (but I guess that's getting more and more common)

掘金球迷：全明星不会有多量过气球星入选的，每隔两三年，会有一个将来的名人堂成员入选，然后打上10分钟。我感觉还行。他们得有个离别表演嘛(不外我感觉这类现象愈来愈遍及了)。

[–]Celtics ken_riffy 33 points 14 hours ago

I think it'll be fun to have him in the game & he definitely has a career that deserves to be honored. I just wish he wasn't taking someone else's spot.

凯尔特人球迷：我感觉韦德入选全明星会很成心思的，并且就凭他的生活生计成绩，他是配得上这份光荣的。只是我但愿他不会抢了其他人的风头。

[–]Celtics ken_riffy 39 points 14 hours ago

Definitely. I'd love to have him & Dirk trading fadeaways in the All Star game as long as two deserving players wouldn't get snubbed.

凯尔特人球迷：必定的。我想看到他和诺维茨基在全明星上商讨后仰跳投，只要那两个本该被存眷的球员没有被大师萧瑟就行。

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[–]Raptors FindingUsernamesSuck 204 points 14 hours ago

Am I the only one who thought Luka was a guard?

猛龙球迷：只有我一小我觉得卢卡是后卫吗？

[–]Mavericks PourGnawgraphy 116 points 14 hours ago

He started the year playing the 3 spot, but he's definitely gravitated to being a guard as the season has gone on. Thankfully.

独行侠球迷：他赛季初打得是3号位，不外他跟着赛季的深切，他绝对是打成了后卫。谢天谢地。

[–]Mavericks amazin_raisin99[ ] 14 points 13 hours ago

He was actually playing and guarding the 4 with HB at the 3, still does sometimes

独行侠球迷：现实上他有时辰打得是4号位，巴恩斯在3号位。

[–]Mavericks shaheedmalik 42 points 12 hours ago

Luka is the starting PF.

独行侠球迷：东契奇是我们的首发年夜前。

[–]Mavericks PourGnawgraphy 64 points 12 hours ago

Much like Ben Simmons is for Philly. Similar roles.

独行侠球迷：很像费城的本-西蒙斯。脚色近似吧

[–][DAL] Dennis Rodman Indiana_BROnes_ 196 points 15 hours ago

ITT: r/NBA loves Luka, but hates Luka fans

独行侠球迷：这个专区的人很爱东契奇，不外厌恶东契奇的粉丝。

[–]Mavericks stoogemuffin 118 points 14 hours ago

We hate ourselves.

独行侠球迷：我们这是厌恶本身。

[–]Suns hoops_n_politics 30 points 12 hours ago

Serious question here:

What percentage of Luka fans are actually Mavs fans? My thought is a substantial percentage of Luka’s most vocal fans on this sub are not even Mavs fans.

Not sure if that even matters, it’s just something I’m curious about.

太阳球迷：有个很正经的问题：

东契奇球迷中有几多是真实的独行侠球迷呢？我感觉这个专区里那些宣称卢卡球迷的人里，年夜部门都不是独行侠球迷。

不知道这个问题是不是主要，只是我感爱好。

[–]Celtics redrumsoxLoL 33 points 12 hours ago

Anecdotally, one right here. I do live in Texas (Houston, but still Texas). I don't particularly like the Mavericks, but I love Luka because he is just one of the most fun players to watch and root for at the moment.

凯尔特人球迷：我就是啊。虽然说我住在德克萨斯(休斯顿，可仍是在德克萨斯啊)我真不喜好独行侠，不外我喜好卢卡。由于他是眼下最具不雅赏性和最值得撑持的球员之一。

[–]Hawks ATLjoe93 29 points 13 hours ago

It only gets ridiculous when some fans put down other players to raise the kid up. It's really off-putting.

I saw a thread the other day where Sixers fans were downvoted for suggesting that they'd prefer to keep Simmons if hypothetically they could have Luka. That is absurd.

老鹰球迷：有些球迷为了捧他而贬低其他球员，这真的离谱了。真的蛮反感。

前天我看到了一个帖子，76人球迷说哪怕有理论上的可能获得东契奇，他们仍是更愿意留住西蒙斯，就由于这，他们被狂踩。这太荒诞乖张了。

[–]Mlerma21 9 points 12 hours ago

This isn't new or exclusive to Doncic though. Mitchell and Simmons last year was the exact same. There are shitty fans and there are good fans. Real Mavs fans mom

这也不是啥新颖事，也不止在东契奇一小我身上有。上赛季的米切尔和西蒙斯也是这类环境。

[–]srabon98akter 42 points 16 hours ago

I love watching Luka play but he has 0 business being up there with the likes of Bron and KD.

我喜好看东契奇打球，不外他还没资历和勒布朗、杜兰特这些人一路进入全明星。

[–]twasjc 71 points 15 hours ago

Ya he should be way ahead of them

是啊，他应当远远超越他们的。

[–]Riptansky 17 points 13 hours ago

To be fair, Luka's game is fair more enjoyable to watch than KD's, imo, don't get me wrong, KD is obviously a better player, but i used the word "enjoyable".

公允地说，我感觉卢卡的角逐远比杜兰特的都雅吧，别曲解我，很明显杜兰特更强，不外我用了“不雅赏性”这个词。

[–]TraeYoungROTY 13 points 9 hours ago*

Kevin Durant is an all time top 5-10 scorer. You're entitled to your opinion, but I really don't see how you can think this.

杜兰特可是史上前5-前10的得分手啊。你有权颁发本身的不雅点，不外我真的不知道你怎样能这么想。

[–]Riptansky 5 points 8 hours ago

Enjoyable.

不雅赏性啊。

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[–]jaysphan128 204 points 16 hours ago

weird that people are freaking out about doncic and not rose lol

大师对东契奇的全明星得票排名这么抓狂，却对罗斯的得票没啥反映，希奇啊哈哈哈

[–]Lakers TheLeBrontoRaptors 78 points 15 hours ago

Because one is a rookie and the other a former MVP with a “tragic narrative” and a huge stanbase

湖人球迷：由于东契奇只是个菜鸟，而另外一个是生不逢辰的旧日MVP，并且还很重大的粉丝群体。

[–]Trail Blazers matrixreloaded 35 points 14 hours ago

why is it weird? everyone expects Rose to be up there seeing as he’s a former MVP, international superstar and currently sparking quite a comeback year.

nobody expected Doncic to be up there, also he’s a rookie, it’s amazing he’s gotten more votes than the likes of KD, Davis, Harden...

开辟者球迷：怎样就希奇了啊？大师都等候着在全明星上看到罗斯，究竟身为国际级球星的他是旧日的MVP，并且这个赛季状况苏醒显著。

没人等候东契奇入选全明星，正由于他只是个菜鸟，他可以或许获得比杜兰特、戴维斯和哈登这些人还多的选票已很了不得了。

[–]West Kurosawasuperfan 46 points 13 hours ago

And still, Doncic is putting similar numbers but with more impact (clutch moments, gravity, assists) in a team with better record, in which he's the best player.

I'm not shitting on Derrick Rose, but it's not like he's a clear all-star and Doncic is not even close.

仍是那回事，东契奇的数据和罗斯差不多，不外球队的战绩更好，他在队内的影响力更年夜(要害时刻、助攻)，是队内最好球员。

我并不是在说罗斯的不是，不外他也不是板上钉钉的全明星啊，东契奇也还差的远。

[–]Celtics enderlord2 7 points 15 hours ago

Which ones playing better?

凯尔特人球迷：谁的数据更好？

[–]West tr45hbin 21 points 13 hours ago

Rose: 18.9/2.8/4.8 PIE: 12.9 Doncic: 19.5/6.6/5.0 PIE: 13.4

罗斯：18.9+2.8+4.8，东契奇：19.5+6.6+5

[–]-Zaytoven- 10 points 13 hours ago

Neither deserve to make it obviously, Luka has more of a case than D rose though.

But, Lukas votes are from hype

D rose’s votes are from respect to a legend reinventing his career

他俩谁都不应进全明星，不外卢卡的表示更好啊。

可是呢，卢卡的选票都是眼下的热度。

而罗斯的选票则是来自豪家的情怀。

[–]Suns TheLeBrontoRaptorss 19 points 13 hours ago

Neither SHOULD be in, but likely rose will make it and doncic won’t, or neither make it, no scenario where both are in

太阳球迷：两小我都不应入选，不外极可能终究罗斯入选，东契奇没有，或两人都没入选，必定不成能两小我都入选。

[–]Lakers LukeSkyreader811 23 points 12 hours ago

Guards in the west are way too stacked for Rose to make it I feel like.

Curry, Westbrook, Lillard, Harden, Booker, Holiday, McCollum and even Conley are all above him I feel like.

湖人球迷：西部的后卫太多了啊，我感觉罗斯很难入选。

我感觉库里、威少、利拉德、哈登、布克、霍乐迪、麦科勒姆这些人，乃至连康利都在他之前。

[–]Suns TheLeBrontoRaptorss 8 points 12 hours ago

I agree, but with how high his fan vote is, plus I’m sure he’ll get some vote from players and coaches, who knows, not saying it’s likely, but possible

太阳球迷：我赞成。不外他的球迷票数很高啊，并且我确信他还能从球员和锻练手中获得选票，谁知道呢，不克不及说他不成能，仍是有可能的。

[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 161 points 16 hours ago

Rose is like China's foreign son so it makes sense

湖人球迷：罗斯就像是中国人的外国儿子，所以你说的有事理。

[–]Raptors The_Natural_Log 25 points 10 hours ago

Rose is the Lebron of China

猛龙球迷：罗斯在中国的热度就像是勒布朗。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingram NotAWallabie 4 points 9 hours ago

Rose is the new McGrady of China

湖人球迷：罗斯在中国就是新麦迪。

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[–][SAS] Boris Diaw YOU_PM_ME_THIGHS 37 points 16 hours ago*

He's not that far outside the top 30 players. I'd probably put him somewhere in that 35-50 range and he seems quite popular. Probably doesn't quite deserve AS status yet but he's not far off

Edit:

He's 34th in points per game, 30th in assts per game, 42nd in BPM, 33rd in VORP, 63rd in PER and rebounds well for a point forward. I'd say those stats back him up being somewhere in the 35-50 range.

马刺球迷：东契奇在前30开外不远。我也许会把他排在35到50的位置，并且他貌似很受接待啊。也许他还不是很配得上全明星，不外他也不远啊。

编纂：他的场均得分排在同盟第34，场均助攻第30，BPM排第42，VORP值(球员对球队的主要性)第33，PER值第63，并且他作为组织型先锋篮板也很超卓。所以我才感觉他在35到50位之间。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant mobious_trip 34 points 14 hours ago

dude is an all star maybe not all nba at this point.

the most hyped highlights from the season I’ve seen so far are from Luka hands down

科比球迷：这哥们儿也许是个全明星，但此刻还不是顶级。

这个赛季我看过的最燃的集锦就是东契奇的，年夜写的服气。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook jumpman0035 93 points 14 hours ago

it's all star game. Isn't the whole point of the weekend for the fans?

All-star appearances shouldnt count for your legacy, and should be 1000% fan vote.

I know Vince Carter is not an all-star anymore, but ill vote for him every year because i wanna see him play.

If so many people wanna see Luka in the allstar game, then let him be in it lol

Now if it was for all NBA or MVP or whatever, then yes of course those are the ones that are stat and record based, but allstar SHOULD be fan votes imo.

雷霆球迷：这可是全明星角逐。莫非这个周末的全数意义不就是为了球迷吗？

全明星人选不该该依靠你的成绩，而是完全的球迷投票。

我知道卡特不再是全明星了，不外我每一年城市给他投票，由于我想看他打。

假如真有那末多人想在全明星上看到东契奇，那就让他进呗，哈哈哈

假如我们说的是赛季最好声势或是MVP之类的奖项，那固然是根据数据和战绩来定的，没弊端，不外我感觉全明星应当由粉丝投票决议。

[–][POR] Damian Lillards omethingnotyettaken 22 points 11 hours ago

I learned this lesson with Kobe, Blake Griffin and LaMarcus Aldridge. Almost all of us were outraged that Kobe got on the All-Star team multiple years when his game had drastically declined to sub All-Star levels. I also felt that LMA should be in above Blake Griffin, and felt like him being a flashy dunker got him more attention, but that LMA was the better player.

Finally LMA made the All-Star game...and my god was it disappointing. Like, what did I expect this guy to do during the All-Star game? While Blake Griffin might have been a fraction less talented than LMA (which is debatable), Blake was exponentially more fun to watch in the All-Star game. And just seeing Kobe interact with all of the players was more fun than LMA being on the team.

开辟者球迷：我当初从科比、格里芬和阿尔德里奇身上大白了很多。科比那些年能力年夜幅下滑到全明星水准之下时，几近我们所有人都由于他还能持续几年入选全明星而愤慨。我还感觉昔时阿德应当在格里芬之前入选呢，我知道格里芬扣将的身份让他获得了更多的存眷，可是阿德那时更强啊。

终究阿德进入全明星了……然后呢，我的天呐，太让人掉望了。好比说，我期望这哥们儿在全明星上做甚么呢？虽然说格里芬的先天略输阿德(有争议的)，不外格里芬在全明星上的表示要都雅多了啊。并且光是看着科比在场上与那些球员互动就比阿德在队里成心思多了。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook jumpman0035 15 points 11 hours ago

Yeah like i love westbrook and he might not be a top 5 or sometimes top 10 nba player depending on who you ask. But he is a top 1 or 2 player during allstar night. Thats what i wanna see.

雷霆球迷：没错，就好比说我喜好威少，他也许不是前五乃至前10 球员(看你问谁了)。不外他在全明星上就是前1前2的。这就是我想看的。

[–][POR] Damian Lillards omethingnotyettaken 7 points 10 hours ago

I hate Westbrook but otherwise completely agree.

开辟者球迷：我厌恶威少，不外我完全附和你的不雅点。

[–]East technosucks 9 points 12 hours ago

I 1000% agree with your point but sadly, All-Star games are counted for one's legacy.

完全附和，不外可悲的是，全明星人选要看球员的过往成绩。

[–]Mavericks ForcadoUALG 11 points 16 hours ago

1000% agree that he shouldn't be a starter, and hardly a reserve. But definitely deserves a shout. He has plenty of time to be in the ASG.

独行侠球迷：我也完全附和东契奇不应成为全明星首发，哪怕是替补也很难。不外绝对配得长进入候选。他还得是时候冲击全明星。

[–]Thunder eldingobebe 13 points 13 hours ago

Imagine caring about the all-star game.

It’s been a farce for so long.

雷霆球迷：还人关心全明星啊……

不是说持久以来都是闹剧嘛

[–]Trail Blazers correalvinicius 22 points 12 hours ago

It's not a farce, it's entertainment, it's not meant to choose the 24 best players in the league. All NBA teams serve that purpose

开辟者球迷：不是闹剧，这是文娱，其实不是意味着选择同盟最顶尖的24个球员。只有赛季最好声势才能知足这个目标。

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