亚博：不是被高估| 这锅得各家球迷来背? 是绿军年青人先天

Are we overrating the Celtics young talent ?

我们是否是高估了凯尔特人这帮年青人的先天呢？

All Summer , all everyone 's been talking about is how amazing Boston 's young core is. Jaylen Brown has clear all-star potential , but Jayson Tatum. Oh boy , have you heard about Jayson Tatum ? Jayson Tatum is already an all-star. A lock for the hall of fame. He might already the best player on the Celtics , hell the Celtics should probably run their offense through him this year. Kyrie might even consider leaving since he wants to be the man on his team. He 's not going to be the man anymore , because Jayson Tatum isn 't coming... he 's already here.

全部炎天,大师都在谈论波士顿的年青焦点团队有何等超卓.杰伦-布朗很明显是有着全明星潜质的,那末塔图姆呢,老哥,你应当听过大师塔图姆的盛赞吧？塔图姆已是一位全明星了,今后绝对能入选名人堂的,他也许已是今朝这支凯尔特人队里最超卓的球员了.靠,凯尔特人这个赛季大要应当环绕塔图姆睁开进攻系统.既然欧文想成为这支球队的年夜当家,那他仍是斟酌另谋高就吧.他没法再成为球队的门脸了,由于塔图姆可不是新来的……他早就在队里了.

10 games in... where the fuck is everyone , huh ?

那末此刻10 场角逐打下来……那些吹嘘他的人都特么去哪儿了,说啊？

Despite having solid but unremarkable regular seasons , everyone points to the fact that they showed up big time in the playoffs when it counted. But can we stop and think about what it really means to be big time in the playoffs in the Eastern Conference ? An Eastern Conference that Lebron James carried these frickin ' Cavaliers through by himself ? That same Lebron James who might not even make the playoffs now that he 's in the West ?

绿军这帮年青人上赛季常规赛的表示固然靠得住但还称不上冷艳吧,可是人人都认定了他们在季后赛这类要害时刻所揭示出的风度.可是我们能先沉着下来,想一想到底东部季后赛的要害时决心味着甚么吗？是指詹姆斯凭一己之力扛着他么的骑士队杀出重围的东部吗？是阿谁现在到了西部却可能没法进入季后赛的詹姆斯吗？

The Celtics played a Milwaukee Bucks squad being by an absolutely horrible coach in Jason Kidd , a young and inexperienced group in the 76ers , and a Cleveland Cavaliers squad that , without Lebron James , is far and away the worst team in basketball. Maybe , just maybe , they got to feast on three teams that they matched up well against , and that made them look better than they really are ? And maybe , just maybe , now that they 're up against regular competition again , they 're regressing back to what they actually are , which is good young players with amazing potential but are still inconsistent because they 're young and inexperienced ?

凯尔特人上赛季季后赛面临的是哪些敌手呢？是被杰森-基德这个绝对菜鸡的锻练拖累的密尔沃基雄鹿,是年青又缺少经验的76 人,是没了詹姆斯就沉溺堕落到同盟最烂球队的骑士.也许,仅仅是也许啊,凯尔特人很享受与这三支队半斤八两年夜战一场的酣畅感,那这就可以让他们感觉本身比现实的实力要强了吗？再也许,也仅仅是也许,他们现在又回到了常规赛的竞争傍边,也再度回到了真实的程度上,那些先天异禀却依然欠缺不变性的年青人就由于他们还年青且缺少经验,那他们还真的称得上优异吗？

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[–][MIA ] Dwyane Wade InPatRileyWeTrust 1006 points 14 hours ago

Young talent is overrated in general and every fanbase is guilty of it.

韦德球迷：有先天的年青人一般城市被高估,每一个球队的球迷都得背锅.

[–]Jesusmanduke 275 points 9 hours ago

The hype on Tatum this offseason was overly outrageous though

不外炎天的休赛期大师对塔图姆的吹嘘真的是过分了.

[–]timski9000 189 points 9 hours ago

Copped an 88 on 2k too right ? That ’s wild

2K 值还到了88 对吧？这真的要疯啊.

[–][PHI ] Ben Simmons bensimmonsismydaddy 89 points 8 hours ago

87 i think. He has the same as ben simmons which is dumb , and 6 points higher than dario saric who had similar stat lines.

本-席梦思球迷：我记得是87 吧,他的能力值和本-西蒙斯一样,这评分太蠢了.他俩竟然比小我数据相差无几的萨里奇还高6 分.

[–][DET ] Darvin Ham youngsixnine 62 points 8 hours ago

pretty sure it was higher than blake griffin , too. just egregious.

活塞球迷：我很确信他俩的分数竟然比格里芬还高.不正常.

[–][TOR ] Pascal Siakam mazzboy 91 points 7 hours ago

Higher than Blake , Kemba , Horford , Lowry , etc. Legit proven All stars are apparently worse than a kid that had a pretty good playoff run

西亚卡姆球迷：比格里芬、沃克、霍福德和洛瑞等人都高.这些已证实过本身实力的全明星球员竟然还不如一个季后赛年夜放异彩的小孩.

[–]Lakers Notclevr 46 points 8 hours ago

A lot of people only watched the playoffs.

湖人球迷：良多人只看了季后赛.

[–][MIA ] Joel Anthony redditsucks9gagrules 141 points 8 hours ago

That 's what happens when you f ***king boom Lebron tho

热火球迷：当你在场上硬刚了勒布朗以后,你的评分便可以这么高.

[–]Raptors crespire 667 points 10 hours ago

Pascal Siakam tho.

猛龙球迷：我们的西亚卡姆也被高估了吧.

[–]BeerFunnel 278 points 9 hours ago

He is the future of the league. No bias though

公允地讲,他是同盟的将来.

[–]76ers IVAN_CLEARY 47 points 7 hours ago

Can you say GOAT ?

76 人球迷：能说是史上最好吗？

[–]Bulls Tankwagonshiteymate 15 points 8 hours ago

I feel like bulls fans are always kind of wary of overrating their young guys

We 're just scared to be disappointed I guess lol even though relatively speaking we 're pretty good at drafting

公牛球迷：我感受我们公牛球迷一般不年夜吹本身的年青人,都很谨严.

我感觉我们就是惧怕掉望,不外相对而言,我们的选秀历来仍是蛮不错的,哈哈哈.

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[–][LAL ] Brandon Ingram meengine 964 points 17 hours ago

Young talent in general is really overrated in the NBA. NBA fans rate young players more about what they ideally can be than what they actually are right now. They are always assuming the young talent will improve consistently year by year under ideal circumstances.

英格拉姆球迷：年夜体而言,年青人的先天在NBA 都是被高估的.NBA 球迷对年青人进行评价时更多地是根据他们此后抱负的成长前景,而并不是他们当下真实的实力.在某种抱负化的设定下,大师老是感觉有先天的年青人会年复一年地延续前进.

[–]Suns Bows_N_Hoes 546 points 17 hours ago

I blame 2k where players do naturally progress to an assumed peak.

Real world doesn ’t work that way.

太阳球迷：这锅2K 得背啊,究竟游戏里的球员都能天然而然地走向既定的巅峰.

实际世界则没有这么顺畅了.

[–]Partaking 679 points 17 hours ago

I am tripping so hard right now. I can swear I saw this exact comment chain on another thread earlier today.

是我特么目炫了吗.我立誓,我今儿在另外一个帖子上看到了上面这两条一毛一样的评论.

[–]NBA kaushalt18 313 points 16 hours ago

No , you guys aren 't tripping. Here.

不,你没目炫.之前湖人年青人的帖子里有人说过.

[–]Heat walldotfm 302 points 17 hours ago

I picked them to come out of the East , and while they have been disappointing so far , I usually start judging at around 20-30 games , so it 's still a little too early. The 'young ' talent are still young afterall , and one thing that young players have always lacked in consistency , so guys like Taytum and Brown have to find it first. Sure it did not help that the playoff run they had last season + the media increased the pressure on expectations , especially with LeBron heading West , but its still early days.

热火球迷：在东部我仍是蛮看好凯尔特人这帮年青人的,虽然说他们这个赛季今朝为止有点让人掉望,可是我一般在打了二三十场角逐事后才做评价,所以此刻还为时尚早.究竟这些有先天的"年青人" 依然年青,并且年青人老是欠缺不变性的嘛,所以像塔图姆和布朗这类球员起首得找到不变性.他们上赛季季后赛中的神勇,媒体期望导致压力的增添,特殊是勒布朗去到西部以后,这些固然是没法帮忙到这些年青人的.

[–][BOS ] Jaylen Brown gbeckwith 131 points 10 hours ago

As of now the Raptors are the best team in the East. However , they needed to replace one star with another. We need to work Hayward in and Kyrie was out for months. If this continues , we 're clear cut not the best team , but if we gel we have one hell of a ceiling.

布朗球迷：此刻来看,猛龙是东部最强的球队.可是呢,他们炎天也是必需要用一个球星换来另外一个球星才走到这一步的.我们得让海沃德融入进来,并且欧文也缺席了几个月.假如今朝的场合排场继续下去,那我们必定没法成为最强球队,可假如我们磨合好了,那特么就可以触摸天花板了.

[–]Celtics fdahood 94 points 9 hours ago

I 'm not worried yet. We are still picking up steam , despite last nights loss.

Edit: Tatum needs to chill with that stupid contested mid-ranger though.

凯尔特人球迷：我还不担忧,虽然说昨晚输给掘金了,但我们仍在晋升速度和实力的进程中.

编纂：可是塔图姆得在有匹敌的环境下少投点那些笨拙的中距离了.

[–]ArenSteele 50 points 8 hours ago

But Kobe said to take that shot !

可是科比说过,尽管投啊！

[–]poopfeast180 237 points 17 hours ago

nah i think their offense needs to be tweaked and some role players reduced to actual role player specialist duties rather than playing the same way their stars play.

不,我感觉凯尔特人的进攻要做一点微调.某些脚色球员得做好本身脚色球员的真正天职,而不是和当家球星抢戏.

[–]Heat walldotfm 144 points 17 hours ago

i agree with this. Stevens is a great coach but the minutes distribution is a little odd..

热火球迷：这个我附和.史蒂文斯锻练很是优异,可是他在队员场上时候的放置上有点奇异.

[–]poopfeast180 70 points 17 hours ago

the belief is that by giving everyone equal opportunity and sharing the ball every time they can also motivate people to be engaged on the other end of the floor and not just get bored. this is true but you gotta not go overboard with it especially since in the playoffs against the best teams you can 't rely on the bums to carry. give the ball to the superstar so they make shots.

史蒂文斯锻练的执教理念是：赐与队内每一个人均等的机遇,每一个回合都要分享球,如许才能激活大师介入到进攻后的回防中,不至在感应死板.这是事实,可是你不克不及过度强调这一点啊,由于到了季后赛中面临顶尖球队时,你总不克不及依靠那些天资平平的球员去暴走吧,要把球交到超巨手里,让他们投.

[–][BOS ] Dee Brown PaulPierceBrosnan 22 points 11 hours ago

It 's still early enough that he can let them fight for minutes. Hayward , Smart , Rozier and Morris are all getting similar game time but somebody needs to get dialed back there. I think its tough when you have 3 young guys go off last year who show that they are ready to start and then have to work an extra 60 minutes in for Hayward and Irving as they come back.

凯尔特人球迷：由于此刻赛季还早,所以他才让大师为了上场时候而竞争.海沃德、斯玛特、罗齐尔和莫里斯的上场时候都很接近,不外或人需要找回感受了.当你队里有3 个上赛季阐扬抢眼的年青人,且他们已预备好首发,却又不能不由于海沃德和欧文的回归而额外多练习60 分钟时,我感觉这类场合排场是很辣手的.

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[–][BOS ] Jaylen Brown JB7FTW 340 points 17 hours ago

Honestly fuck the young players. Make the NBA old again. Bring back some prime studs like Omeka Okafor and Kendrick Perkins.

凯尔特人球迷：我去尼玛的年青人.让NBA 老龄化吧.把埃梅卡-奥卡福和帕金斯这类老油条请回来吧.

[–][WAS ] Brendan Haywood Perfection_Merchant 73 points 12 hours ago

Young talent in the NBA is generally very god damn overrated , after Tyreke Evans put up 20/5/5 you had people already declare him a future superstar. Players don ’t progress like that.

Also , in legitimately hate how some fans here don ’t want to trade young talent for proven superstars. If the Pelicans call Danny Ainge "Give us Tatum , Jaylen Brown and a pick and we give you Anthony Davis" I have no doubt in my mind that Danny Ainge is saying yes before Demps can finish his sentence. You can only hope young guys can become superstars , you trade them for proven superstars every single damn time.

奇才球迷：NBA 里有先天的年青人一般都特么被严重高估了,泰瑞克-埃文斯昔时场均20 +5 +5 以后,那时就有人说他是将来的超巨.可是球员们的成长轨迹不是那末回事啊.

另外,这里有些球迷不但愿用有先天的新星去互换那些已证实过本身实力的超巨,这类反感也是公道的.可假如鹈鹕跟安吉说"把塔图姆、布朗和一个选秀签给我们,我们给你安东尼-戴维斯" ,那我敢包管,在鹈鹕高管的话还没说完之前,安吉都赶紧准许了.你只能期望那些年青人成长为超巨,可是特么只要有机遇,你就会用他们去换那些成名超巨.

[–]Bulls monolith17 26 points 10 hours ago

It ’s hilarious that Celtics fans wouldn ’t do Tatum and Smart for AD , but honestly that trade would make them title contenders for the next 5 years no question.

公牛球迷：凯尔特人球迷不肯用塔图姆和斯玛特去换戴维斯,这真是成心思了.不外说真话啊,这类买卖会让绿军此后5 年都是妥妥的冠军争取者.

[–]Nuggets MileHighCam 32 points 8 hours ago

I hate to be that guy... but Brown and Tatum should not be sacrificing minutes for Hayward at this point..

掘金球迷：我也不想这么说啊……可是布朗和塔图姆不应在这个阶段为了海沃德牺牲上场时候.

[–][BOS ] Jaylen Brown Doob4Sho 12 points 5 hours ago

They aren 't. They are sacrificing minutes for Morris and Smart...

Hayward is getting less minutes than any other starter and also he is working back in. What do you want us to do , just play him 10 minutes and never let him get back to anywhere near where he was ?

Hayward has also started to look better and better each game. Great passing , solid defense , athleticism and movement coming back to him.

People are over-reacting to a winning record of all things...

杰伦-布朗球迷：他们俩并没有.他们是为莫里斯和斯玛特牺牲上场时候……

海沃德的进场时候比其他任何首发队员都少,并且他正在苏醒.你还想我们咋做？就让他每场打10 分钟,然后让他没法恢复到之前那种水准？

海沃德此刻已一场比一场好了,传球超卓,戍守稳健,活动能力和移动也在恢复.

大师对常规赛成就看得太重了些……

[–][MIA ] Anfernee Hardaway ChaseH9499 137 points 17 hours ago

Yes. Tatum and Brown are pretty damn good , but I swear sometimes people act like they ’re the second coming of Jordan and Pippen. They ’re good players with bright futures , but for fucks sake

Also , obligatory hE ’s oNlY 20

热火球迷：没错,塔图姆和布朗特娘简直实利害.但我包管啊,有时辰大师弄得似乎他俩是下一对乔丹和皮蓬一样.他们简直是前程光亮的优异球员,可是别特么过分了好吗

行吧,又要用他才20 岁来强行洗脑了.

[–]Raptors RadicalTzar 29 points 10 hours ago

I don 't believe they are overrated but I think there are a lot of valid points in this thread regarding the assessment of young talent.

That said , the Celtics are a very good basketball team playing in a weaker conference. It 's basically them the Raptors and Bucks leading the way. I would not be surprised if any two of these three make it to the Eastern Finals. Any combo of the three would be a barn burner.

My guess is Toronto vs. Milwaukee , but I might be biased because I realllllly want that matchup.

猛龙球迷：我不认为绿军这些年青人被高估了,不外就对年青人先天的评判而言,这个帖子里的很多多少不雅点仍是有理有据的.

话虽如斯,凯尔特人在一个相对较弱的分区里,真的是一支很是壮大的球队.根基是他们和猛龙、雄鹿领跑东部.如果这三队里面的两队进入东决我也不会希奇,那必定是一出好戏.

我猜这个赛季东决是猛龙对雄鹿,或许我偏疼了,可是我真的真的想看到这组对决啊！

[–]bdotbanfield 41 points 18 hours ago

I think this is a ten game overreaction. They 're integrating Hayward and Kyrie back into a system that thrived without them. Start posting this if this continues at All Star break , which I highly doubt.

我感觉这才十场角逐,大师的反映有些过度了.凯尔特人重视图让海沃德和欧文融入球队系统当中,究竟这个别系之前在没有他俩的环境下年夜获成功.如果到了全明星休赛期,这帮年青人仍是这类表示,那到时辰再发帖喷吧,不外我感觉应当不会的.

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