【键盘侠】 魔术师无视留大洛&兰豆请求

Bill Oram: "... [Magic] ignored the pleas of the coaching staff that he retain Brook Lopez and Julius Randle."

据湖人记者Bill Oram报导，在7月份签下詹姆斯以后，球队总裁魔术师没有理睬锻练组关在留下年夜洛和兰德尔的要求。

Instead, he signed controversial and limited journeymen JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley and Lance Stephenson.

相反的是，魔术师签下一些引发争议且能力有限的荡子球员：麦基、比斯利和史蒂芬森。

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[–]West Talentagentfriend 2287 points 14 hours ago

What’s crazy is that in Brook Lopez’s exit interview he said that he would consider re-signing with the Lakers on a cheap contract if they got a big player. After LeBron signed I thought it was going to be a sure thing that Lopez would sign. Then he went to the Bucks.

最没谱的是，年夜洛佩兹离队采访的时辰说过，假如湖人夏窗能获得一位年夜牌球员，那他本筹算低薪和湖人续约的。湖人签下詹姆斯事后，我感觉年夜洛必定会和湖人续约，然后他去了雄鹿……

[–][OKC} Steven Adams GrumpyBearBank 1363 points 14 hours ago

And he went cheap enough that you know it was just that Johnson didn't want him.

雷霆球迷：他愿意接管的薪水已够低了，就是魔术师不想要他。

[–]Lakers mkmore4 301 points 14 hours ago

Yea, who in the right mind has the opportunity to sign Lopez for ~4M, and says no? That’s insane value.

Magic is clearly incompetent.

湖人球迷：是啊，当你有机遇以400万摆布的价钱签洛佩兹时谁会谢绝啊？这性价比了不起啊。

很较着，魔术师不称职。

[–][SAS] Boban Marjanovic andres7832 220 points 13 hours ago

It was around 3.3M. For ONE year. Not like a 2 year that would affect your cap the next summer, he signed for ONE year, which fits your plans, would be a much better player than McGee and a proven starting Center, unlike McGee.

Magic just fell in love with the idea of Showtime, players running up and down up-tempo and didnt see the real basketball move based on talent.

马刺球迷：大要是330万，一年啊！不是那种会影响你来年炎天薪资空间的两年合约，这是很合适球队打算的，并且他会是一个比麦基好很多的球员，也是一个已证实过本身的首发中锋。

只是魔术师太沉沦以往那种Showtime气概了，球员们快节拍下来回，可是看不到那种基在先天的真实的篮球跑动。

[–]Lakers mkmore4 133 points 13 hours ago

Exactly.

Even if Lopez was a total misfit with Lebron (I seriously doubt he would’ve been), and it didn’t work out; they could’ve just bought him out, and it wouldn’t have been big deal. Re-signing him was essentially a no-risk, high reward move, and the fact that Magic chose to not bring him back is embarrassing on his part.

Magic thought he was clever, and tried to reinvent the wheel, but it completely blew up in his face.

湖人球迷：就是如许。

哪怕洛佩兹和詹姆斯气概完全不搭(对此我很是思疑)，这么弄行欠亨，那他们可以直接买断他啊，又没多年夜事。和年夜洛续约的确就是高回报零风险的操作啊，为难的是，魔术师不想留他了。

魔术师自觉得本身很伶俐，想在湖人干一番年夜事业，可是成果完全打脸。

[–]NBA madeupmoniker 103 points 13 hours ago

Lopez could do exactly what Kevin Love was doing on all those cavs team for like 100% of the price. A decent GM should have been able to see him as the perfect stretch 5 for lebron.

当初乐福在骑士所干的工作，年夜洛佩兹可以以只有他100%的薪水做到。一个靠谱的总司理应当能看到，年夜洛佩兹是合适詹姆斯的完善空间型五号位。

[–]Magic Schleprok 44 points 13 hours ago

I guarantee you Magic's only reasoning was that Lopez isn't a good rebounder. He didn't do enough critical thinking to conclude that a floor spacing big would work well with LeBron.

魔术球迷：我包管，魔术师之所以不要年夜洛，必定是感觉他不是个好的篮板手。可是他没有好好想一想，那种空间型年夜个子可以和詹姆斯共同得很好。

[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic CrimsonOffice 1263 points 13 hours ago

Fck. Yeah, Magic is really becoming one of the worst executive in the league atm.

掘金球迷：这特么就对了。魔术师真的是同盟最菜的司理人之一。

[–][LAC] Patrick Beverley 1975-2050 221 points 13 hours ago*

It’s been clear for a while, when it comes to basketball, Magic’s genius is on the court.

快船球迷：这不早就很较着了么，要说篮球的话，魔术师的天禀只在球场上。

[–]Sonof Namek 373 points 13 hours ago

Seriously lol. I've seen people defend him on this sub saying stuff like "he's simplifying it for folks who don't know about basketball."

Uh, no - he's not. The reality is that he's just not very saavy from a player evaluation/basketball analysis perspective.

Just because you're a good soldier doesn't make you a good general.

真的哈哈哈。我看到这个专区还人保护他说“他是在为那些不懂篮球的人化繁为简。”

不，他不是。事实是他不懂球员评估和篮球阐发。

仅由于你是个好兵士可不料味着你就是个好将军。

[–]Supersonics leviwilliams88 183 points 12 hours ago

Honestly most great players seem to be poor player evaluators. Magic, MJ in Charlotte, Lebron in Cleveland/LA (to whatever extent he's had influence in LA).

超音速球迷：说真话，年夜部门顶尖球员貌似都不善于评估球员能力。魔术师，夏洛特的乔丹，克利夫兰和洛杉矶(某种水平上而言，他在湖人内部仍是有影响力的)的詹姆斯。

[–]trowitindepool 243 points 12 hours ago*

You really can't mention great players gone terrible execs without mentioning Isiah* freakin' Thomas. He ruined the Knicks

你们在说那些顶尖球员做欠好总司理的时辰还真不克不及不提特么的以赛亚-特么的-托马斯。他毁了尼克斯。

[–]eogh53 117 points 12 hours ago

Larry bird tho?

那拉里-伯德怎样说？

[–]Hornets trojan_man16 198 points 12 hours ago

Jerry West? He’s basically the second best GM of all time after Auerbach.

黄蜂球迷：还杰里-韦斯特呢？他根基就是排在奥尔巴赫以后的史上第二强总司理啊。

[–]Pistons darkbunny157 50 points 12 hours ago

"Most" not "all"

活塞球迷：只能说年夜大都，不克不及说全数。

[–]Bulls jayjude 45 points 12 hours ago

Exceptions not the rule

Very few star guys ever become really good at the administration and coaching aspects in any sport. Its your role players and bench guys who get that kind of stuff

公牛球迷：特例不克不及代表甚么。

在体育界，可以或许做好治理和执教工作的前球星级球员少之又少。常常懂行的是哪些脚色球员和板凳球员。

[–][BOS] Kendrick Perkins jaleneropepper 25 points 11 hours ago

I think we should just say being a talented player likely has no correlation to being a good GM or evaluator

凯尔特人球迷：我感觉我们只能这么说，一个很有先天的球员和他今后是不是善于做总司理或是评估球员价值，二者极可能是没有关系的。

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[–]Raptors say-less 1017 points 14 hours ago

And then signed Stephenson, McGee and Beasley.... I don’t think even anyone on reddit would be stupid enough to do that

猛龙球迷：然后湖人签了史蒂芬森、麦基和比斯利……我乃至都感觉我们吧里都不会有人蠢到会有这类操作

[–][SAS] Boris Diaw YOU_PM_ME_THIGHS 490 points 14 hours ago

If a redditor posted these moves they would have -500 upvotes

马刺球迷：假如有哪一个吧友贴出这类操作，那他怕是要被点灭500次。

[–]Spurs El_Zorro09 24 points 13 hours ago

This was the rare time where literally everyone on the internet saw those signings, laughed out loud and commented, "That shit's not gonna work," and everyone was right.

马刺球迷：大师在网上能看到那种签约仍是不多见的，那时就笑着评论说，“这么弄是行欠亨的”，事实证实大师都是对的。

[–]NBA F7U12_ANALYSIS 104 points 14 hours ago

And yet there were a lot of people defending the moves.

即使如斯，那时仍是有良多人力挺这类操作。

[–]Kings wehopeuchoke 143 points 13 hours ago

I think the defense was “well they’re just role players to go with Lebron” and assumed Lebron would just carry them. Which was kinda true in the first half of the season…

国王球迷：我记适当时他们的来由是“归正这些人只是给詹姆斯配备的脚色球员”，还想着詹姆斯会带着他们进步。不外赛季前半段的时辰，这倒有几分事理……

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown OrangeKookie 63 points 13 hours ago

its Lakers exceptionalism

The front office and jeanie buss work with the idea that whatever they do will work out in the end and that they're playing 4D chess but Lakers exceptionalism ended when Dr. Buss died

凯尔特人球迷：这就得说说湖人破例论了。

湖人的治理团队和珍妮-巴斯运营球队的时辰是这么想的：不管他们怎样弄最后都能成，他们这是鄙人一盘年夜旗。可是老巴斯离世的时辰，湖人破例论就不存在了。

[–]Magic Schleprok 23 points 13 hours ago*

Yup. The franchise built up some well-earned equity from the 60's to the mid 2010's to make everybody believe things will work out, but things are no longer working out.

魔术球迷：是的，湖人从上世纪60年月到2010年月中期打下了很厚实的家底，这就让他们都觉得怎样弄都能成，可是这一套已行欠亨了。

[–][WAS] Chris Webber hoostrax 294 points 14 hours ago

And then traded their best center for someone who's been injured/useless. And are now trying to sign another center to make up for that mistake.

奇才球迷：魔术师还拿队里最好的中锋去换某个受过伤没啥用的人。此刻又想着再签一位中锋去补锅。

[–]wingram24 22 points 13 hours ago

To the Clippers, the team above them by only 2 games by that time. Unless that was a blatant tank move, there is no explanation

还让他去了快船，那时快船的战绩可是只领先湖人两场啊。除非这类操作纯洁是为了摆烂，否则没法注释。

[–]SonofNamek 38 points 13 hours ago

Don't forget trading D'Angelo and then, publicly calling out his leadership afterward.

It's even worse since Lebron has always played well with All-Star caliber guards who can shoot. Because if they weren't even keeping Brook Lopez, there really was no reason to trade D'Angelo in the first place.

不要忘了把拉塞尔送走这事儿啊，然后他过后还公然说拉塞尔带领力不敷。

更惨的是，詹姆斯在搭配那种有篮子的全明星级控卫时常常打得蛮好。由于假如湖人压根就不筹算留年夜洛的话，那真没来由一最先就送走拉塞尔啊。

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[–]technicallycorrect2 2417 points 14 hours ago

Luke Walton will no doubt take the shit for other people’s bad decisions or bad performance.

毫无疑问，沃顿要为其他人的毛病决议和稀烂表示背锅。

[–][SAC] De'Aaron Fox Apocalypticorn 251 points 14 hours ago

Coach is almost always the scapegoat. Terribly constructed roster not winning? Fire coach. Unhappy star? Fire coach. Win COTY? Fire coach

马刺球迷：主锻练一般都是替罪羊。球队声势搭建欠好不克不及赢球？炒锻练。球星不兴奋？炒锻练。拿下年度最好锻练称号？炒锻练。

[–]Raptors Konfliction 116 points 14 hours ago

To be fair COTY is a season award lol he was fired for playoff performance..

猛龙球迷：说真话，年度最好锻练是嘉奖常规赛带队表示的，哈哈哈，凯西是由于球队在季后赛的表示下课的……

[–]Lakers AggroAssault 1209 points 14 hours ago

Luke isn't the best coach but most of the blame he gets is undeserved

湖人球迷：虽然说沃顿不是顶级锻练吧，可是良多锅都不应他背的。

[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic RedSoxEatPoop 627 points 14 hours ago

Some of the hot takes I've seen from people rocking your flair have been amazing...I thought Luke coached the Lakers well last year even getting them to 35 wins. This year it should be obvious to most people that the team was assembled poorly. That's on Magic.

掘金球迷：你们有些湖蜜之前可是很敢说的……我感觉沃顿上赛季把湖人带的很好，乃至还能拿到35胜啊。至在说这个赛季，很明显年夜大都人都能看出来，湖人的声势搭配的很欠好。这是魔术师的锅。

[–]Rockets scottieburr 18 points 13 hours ago

I mean Luke's coaching was what helped Golden State get off to a 39-4 start a few years ago. He's definitely not bad.

火箭球迷：我感觉吧，沃顿几个赛季前还帮忙勇士获得39胜4负的开局呢，他必定是没那末水的。

[–]NBA ender23 37 points 13 hours ago

there's a difference between executing a plan that's worked before with a team that's familiar with it, and building something new.

你在一支球队贯彻一套球员们本来就很熟习且很管用的战术，和你在一支新球队灌注贯注你的执教理念，这仍是有区分的。

[–]Lakers AggroAssault 325 points 13 hours ago

Yep. Luke does make mistakes, for example there were quite a few games where he’d sub in lance and Beasley at the beginning of the fourth and we’d lose our lead. But then again, it’s Magic’s fault that they’re even on the roster

湖人球迷：是啊，沃克确切也出错，好比说有良多角逐他在第四节初段没有把兰斯和比斯利按在替补席上，然后我们丢失落了领先优势。可是话说回来了，这些人还能在湖人，这就是魔术师的错了。

[–]Lakers matticans7pointO 13 points 13 hours ago

Yea I see people consistently complain about his rotations and most of it is undeserved. people complain and say "why is he playing Rondo? Why is he playing McGee?". Like who is he supposed to play lol.

湖人球迷：没错，我看到良多人老是埋怨沃顿的轮换，年夜多都不应是沃顿的错。那些人说“为何他让隆多打？为啥他让麦基上场？”否则他还能让谁打呢，哈哈哈

[–]Thunder JohnCryptoRambo 35 points 13 hours ago

Why is it not on Pelinka, the GM?

雷霆球迷：为啥就不是佩林卡的锅呢，他是总司理吧？

[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic RedSoxEatPoop 100 points 13 hours ago

It should fall on both of them...but when this thread specifically points out Magic as ignoring the discussion of bringing Lopez back, he should be blamed for a lot of the player management too.

掘金球迷：应当是他和魔术师分锅的……不外这个帖子是直接指向魔术师疏忽锻练组挽留年夜洛的要求，那他就该为年夜部门的球员治理负责。

[–][ATL] Mookie Blaylock terafunker 41 points 13 hours ago

I suppose it's taken for granted that Magic is supposed to be the one pulling the strings on all these decisions. There's been very little discussed about the actual power structure behind the scenes with the Lakers.

老鹰球迷：我感觉良多人都想固然地认为湖人所有这些幕后决议都是魔术师做的。可是却很少有人会商湖人背后的真正权利架构。

[–][LAL] Metta World Peace WalrusInMySheets 6 points 11 hours ago

Magic gets all the credit, he should get all the blame as well. That being said, like 2 hours before LeBron committed to the Lakers, Randle said that he wanted out of LA. I don't blame the Lakers for not re-signing him.

湖人球迷：名声都是魔术师拿的，那他就该担下所有的骂名。不外呢，在詹姆斯转投湖人的前两小时，兰德尔那时说过他想分开湖人。这就不克不及怪湖人没和他续约了。

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[–]Suns DeathStarLineup 175 points 14 hours ago

What a SHOCK!!!

A guy with ZERO front office experience sucks as a President of Basketball operations.

A guy who was a sports agent with ZERO front office experience sucks as a GM.

What next? Will they hire Rich Paul as the next Laker executive?

太阳球迷：震动啊！！

一个高层治理经验为0的人竟然还能做篮球运营总裁。

一个本来只是体育掮客人且高层治理经验为0的人竟然能当总司理。

湖人还要怎样玩？他们会让里奇-保罗当下一任总司理吗？

[–]Lakers tantouz 87 points 13 hours ago

dont give them ideas

湖人球迷：你可别把这个点子告知湖人了。

[–]Longbeach0731 64 points 14 hours ago

Fuck Magic. Totally bungled this summer. Thought getting LeBron was enough

傻X魔术师。这个炎天完全弄砸了，他当初还觉得引进詹姆斯就好了呢

[–]grandmasterkif 20 points 14 hours ago

I just want to see Lakers fans boo Magic when they are at the game.

我就想看魔术师在现场不雅赛时，湖蜜嘘他。

[–]Pistons ITS_NOT_A_BOWL 24 points 13 hours ago

Magic seems like a really nice guy and was an all time great player, but i've seen no indication that he has a fucking clue what he's doing right now.

活塞球迷：魔术师貌似人很不错，之前也是很伟年夜的球员，不外我其实弄不清他尼玛此刻运营球队事务的时辰是咋想的。

[–]Clippers youlikeithuhfoo 284 points 14 hours ago

Comes down to the Lakers have been trying to find an identity these last 6 years. For such a stories and solidified franchise. Their culture has been a complete mess recently.

快船球迷：湖人过往六年都在尽力追求一种身份认同。可是这么一支底蕴深挚的球队，这些年的球队文化倒是一团糟。

[–]NBA urfaselol 149 points 14 hours ago

not a surprise that their culture went to shit when Jerry Buss died and their kids started taking over. Spoiled kids with silverspoons in their mouths that dont' have any management chops or experience.

老巴斯过世他的后代接收球队的时辰，我就对他们的球队文化走向衰落绝不希奇。老巴斯的后代可都是饭来张口的，这些被宠坏的孩子完全没有球队治理的经验。

[–]Mavericks zizzor23 64 points 14 hours ago

Idk how hard could it be to a) keep your good players and b) not sign bad players who are past it

独行侠球迷：1、留住队里的好球员，2、不要签那些过气的实力不济的球员，我不知道这两点能有多灾。

[–]Mavericks ThatGetItKid 38 points 14 hours ago

Since they’re so used to just buying what they want they think they can just get any FA they want since the Laker brand will just woo them over.

If LeBron wasn’t worried about growing his brand there’s no way he ends up on the Lakers.

独行侠球迷：湖人已习惯了曩昔那种想要哪一个年夜牌自由球员就可以要的姿态，究竟他们湖人的年夜招牌在那儿摆着。

假如詹姆斯客岁不是急在强大本身的品牌，那他绝对不会去湖人的。

[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 51 points 14 hours ago

It's nepotism gone wrong. If you look at any good FO in the league, I don't think a single one is the result of inheritance. It's a bad situation for us.

湖人球迷：就不应弄任人唯亲那一套的。看看同盟里那些优异的治理层，我还没发现有谁是子承父业的。我们此刻的处境很欠好。

[–]Clippers Ok_Maize 122 points 14 hours ago

Lakers better hope they get AD this summer or they will be in a lot of trouble.

快船球迷：湖人最好祷告炎天获得戴维斯吧，否则麻烦就年夜了

[–]Raptors KawhiGotUsNow 113 points 14 hours ago

They won’t

This has been a colossal fuck up by magic

猛龙球迷：他们得不到戴维斯的，这都被魔术师弄得一团乱。

[–]Clippers Ok_Maize 25 points 14 hours ago

I feel like there's a good chance. Assuming Kyrie walks (which I feel like is happening unless the Cs make the finals), there might not be much competition for the Lakers.

快船球迷：我倒感觉很有机遇啊。假定欧文分开了(除非绿军进入总决赛，否则我感觉他是会走的)，那就没有几多人能和湖人竞争了。

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