【键盘侠】皮蓬认为攻防全能才能拿MVP

Pippen on Harden and being looked at as an MVP: If you dominate the ball that much on the offense, then you have to show some dominance on the defensive end. that’s what I like about guys like a Paul George, or a Giannis, Kawhi, those guys play the game full force.. and they win the correct way

皮蓬谈哈登和他的MVP前景：假如你在进攻端可以或许安排和掌控球权，那末在戍守端你也一样应当拿出统治力来，这就是为何我喜好乔治、莱昂纳德和字母哥的缘由，他们在攻防两头都能带给你榨取性，他们也以准确的体例赢球。

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[–][ORL] Aaron Gordonsupremehat13 1252 points 16 hours ago

Pippen looks mad as shit in the thumbnail

魔术球迷：皮蓬也太锱铢必较了吧。

[–]KnicksEasypeaseee 825 points 16 hours ago

That's just how much defence matters to him

尼克斯球迷：这显示了戍守对他有多主要啊。

[–]BullsHiImDavid 221 points 13 hours ago

In all seriousness, given how much he focused on the defensive end, and how his scoring took a significant uptick the year and a half Jordan was playing baseball, I wonder how good of a scorer Pippen could have been as a number one option for a 4-5 year stretch.

By the time he went to Portland he was just past the tail-end of his athletic prime so he never really got that chance.

公牛球迷：严酷而言，斟酌到他在戍守真个投入水平，和在乔丹打棒球一年半的时候里他得分的上扬水平，我不由料想皮蓬在长达4-5年作为得分第一选择时的场景。

他去开辟者的时辰已是生活生计晚期了，所以他几近历来没有获得过这类机遇啊。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 94 points 12 hours ago*

Pippen is underrated at times because of the shadow that Jordan's success casts. Doesn't help that Jordanstanis like Skip Bayless would spout b.s. undermining Pippen to make Jordan seem more legendary.

Reminder that Pippen also has 6 rings, also went 6 of 6 in the finals, and also swept a 6 time FMVP in their career match-ups.

As for those Portland years? Pippen wasn't as good but still pretty great. I'd say that basketball is a team game and Lakers were the better team Kobe+Shaq+Phil(+Harper+Fisher+Horry+etcetc). Also the twin towers Spurs in 99, Pop+Duncan+Robinson(+Elliot+Johnson+Elie+Kerr). Bold were ex-Bulls.

皮蓬现实受骗时被低估得利害，究竟他一向糊口在乔丹的暗影之下，固然乔丹吹阿谁时辰也满嘴喷粪，现实上真的是皮蓬让乔丹变得加倍神话。

别健忘皮蓬也有6个总冠军戒指，他一样也6次杀入总决赛，一样在对位中帮忙乔丹拿到了6个FMVP。

置在在波特兰的岁月呢？皮蓬虽然没有那末强可是仍然很棒啊，篮球究竟是一个集体性活动湖人是一支更好的球队，他们有科比+沙克+杰克逊，一样还99年的马刺双塔，波波+邓肯+罗宾逊，他们和曾的公牛都能比肩了。

[–]chickendance638 51 points 11 hours ago

I always think of Pippen as the #1 choice in the history of the league for the 2nd best player on your team. He's so versatile and doesn't have a weak point in his game. He can defend 1-4, gets steals, rebounds, can play point guard, get to the rim, and make plays.

我老是感觉皮蓬是汗青上最强的二当家，他很是万能，几近没有弱点，他可以从1号位戍守到4号位，可以抢断、抢篮板、打控球后卫、冲击篮筐而且安排球。

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[–]ThunderYour_Personal_Jesus 957 points 16 hours ago

Pippen was negative all day yesterday. Having Valentine's Day knowing your ex-wife is hanging with Future gotta be hard.

雷霆球迷：昨天一成天皮蓬都很消极啊，究竟恋人节你的前妻和他人一路玩儿去了，想一想这个老是很难熬的。

[–]TimberwolvesVoidPineapple 122 points 13 hours ago*

I appreciate how in the full quote he doesn't say that Harden doesn't play defense, he just doesn't play defense with the same intensity as the other guys. I think it's fair to say that with his offensive load he can take a few plays off on defense like LeBron's been doing these past couple years.

丛林狼球迷：我仍是很感谢感动他整体的话里并没有说哈登底子不戍守啊，他只是不像其他人一样在戍守端施以不异的强度，我感觉公允说哈登肩上的进攻担籽实在太重以致在他不克不及在戍守端尽心尽力，就似乎曾的勒布朗。

[–]jumanjiz 164 points 16 hours ago

He’s not wrong.

That said as a Rockets fan at this point I don’t want Harden focusing more on the defensive end. He had to get better than what he was... and he did... and that’s about his defensive ceiling.

He’ll never be able to stick with fast athletic guards and wings... which is almost every nba guard and wing. He can guard the post.

Hardens skill/athleticism is about acceleration/deceleration. He has very little lateral quickness relative to most nba guards/wings.

Focusing on trying to get better there when he can’t would make him a worse player.

But absolutely he trails Giannis in that regard. And PG and others.

他也没说错吧，虽然这个时辰的火箭粉丝其实不但愿哈登把精神放在戍守端，可是相较在此刻的戍守他有能力变得更棒……他也确切可以做到……这是关在他的戍守上限的问题。

固然他是防不住那些快速的后卫和侧翼的……所以几近是每一个NBA侧翼和后卫都很难防，可是他低位戍守很棒。

哈登的技术/活动能力是节拍的转变，现实上相较在年夜部门NBA的后卫和侧翼，他几近没啥侧移能力。

专注在他办不到的工作确切会让他酿成一个更差的戍守球员。

可是他在戍守端必定是要掉队在字母哥、乔治和其他人的。

[–]Buckslord_beerus987 70 points 15 hours ago

'win the correct way' what the fuck does this even mean? I want Giannis to win the MVP, but that kind of statement is just dumb. Winning is winning, why does it matter how Pippen perceives 'the right way' to win is.

雄鹿球迷：

“以准确的体例赢球”这句话到底啥意思啊？我但愿字母哥博得MVP，可是这句话的确不要太蠢，赢球就是赢球，为啥皮蓬要强调赢球的体例呢？

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[–]david6588 297 points 16 hours ago

He’s right

皮二爷没弊端啊。

[–]Heatwormhole222 223 points 16 hours ago

Harden has been fine on defense this year.

热火球迷：哈登这个赛季戍守现实上好很多。

[–]76ersMPuddin 41 points 16 hours ago

For real he’s second in total steals, third among guards for blocks, and he plays great post up defense

76人球迷：诚恳说哈登总抢断同盟第二，总盖帽后卫排第三，并且低位戍守很好啊。

[–][TOR] OG Anunobyjovijovi99 206 points 15 hours ago

Steals and blocks are gambles they’re not a guarantee on whether or not you’re a good defender. Roberson gets less steals than Harden is he a worse defender? Curry was the steals leader in 2016 that doesn’t make him DPOY it just means he got the most steals.

Harden has improved his defense greatly though but it’s nowhere near PG.

猛龙球迷：抢断和盖帽赌钱，他不克不及判定你是不是是一个好的戍守者，罗伯森抢断比哈登少，他是一个更差的戍守者嘛？库里2016年抢断王可是这也帮忙他取得年度最好戍守球员啊，这仅仅意味着他有最多的抢断而已。

哈登在戍守端确切前进了良多，但这方面离乔治确切还差得远。

[–]MagicOPisaVaG 87 points 15 hours ago

forreal. Steals and blocks are nice but they give the false impression of defense. Tenacity, boxing out, and intelligent switching mean 1000x more than any steal or block. Things that dont show up on the box score.

魔术球迷：确切如斯，盖帽和抢断确切很棒，可是他们赐与戍守以毛病印象、榨取、夹击和伶俐的换防要比抢断、盖帽更成心义，而这些工具其实不会在计分板上表现出来。

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[–]otis_reading 42 points 14 hours ago

Most here don't realize that Pippen and Jordan were probably the two most disruptive defenders paired together (and maybe even individually...especially if you exclude centers) during their time.

So while Jordan was the elite scorer, he--along with Pippen--were amazing defensive forces. They could turn it on, pressure out past the 3 pt line, and completely turn games. There's a good anecdote about them playing on the Dream Team together and just destroying Kukoc (who was rumored to be great and coming to the Bulls) just out of spite.

良多人现实上没成心识到皮蓬和乔丹多是在他们阿谁时辰上最强戍守组合(可能个别也是……究竟球队没中锋)

所以乔丹是精英级此外得分手，他和皮蓬一样有着不成思议的戍守榨取性，他们一旦功力全开可以在3分线处就施压，并且一整场角逐都可以施增强度，有一件工作就是他们那时在梦之队打球然后在戍守端摧毁了库科奇(那时库科奇听说很强，而且传说风闻要来公牛)。

[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDuche07 72 points 16 hours ago

None of those players are carrying the load Harden is

火箭球迷：没有哪一个球员有哈登肩上的进攻压力重。

[–][TOR] OG AnunobyMC-Phillis 44 points 16 hours ago

True but what if Harden carried the same load as these other superstars? I don't think that his defensive impact would change much

猛龙球迷：确切如斯，可是假如哈登和其他超等巨星进攻担子一样重呢？我不感觉他的戍守影响力会是以改变良多。

[–]Rocketsoldreddit1 42 points 15 hours ago

I don't mind this take if you're being consistent. Someone should have asked Pippen about previous MVPs. Westbrook, Curry, even KD, none of them were dominant on the defensive end. LeBron really hasn't been for years either, although I do remember during his MVP years he was. Going further even Derrick Rose.

I actually like all those players I listed. That's why I can say with honesty they are not defensive stars. And I'll go back even further so people don't think it's just this era, Steve Nash might be one of the worst defenders I've seen and he was a back to back MVP.

Realistically, LeBron, PG, Kawhi are the three big names I can think of going back in recent times who are dominant on both ends/are two way players. But the latter two don't even have an MVP!

If the last couple of years was just Kawhi and PG taking turns at MVP it would be one thing. But where was Pippen's criticism when the recent MVPs were winning it? It sounds to me like the GSW announcers taking shots at Harden and mysteriously avoiding bringing up Steph Curry.

火箭球迷：假如必然要杠，那我也无所谓。应当问问皮蓬此前的MVP都是谁了，威少、库里乃至是杜兰特，他们没有一小我在戍守端具有统治力吧。勒布朗那些年一样没有，虽然他在拿MVP的时辰我记得戍守仍是很强的，可是更远的罗斯一样不以戍守著称。

固然我很喜好我罗列的那些球员，我说这些就是为了暗示他们也不是戍守型球员，再往前说，史蒂夫-纳什应当是连庄MVP里最差的戍守者了吧。

诚恳说，莱昂纳德、乔治和詹姆斯应当是比来在攻防两头都有统治力的球员了吧，可是有两小我都没拿过MVP哦！

假如在到近期，只有莱昂纳德和乔治有机遇拿MVP吧，可是为啥皮蓬不攻讦其他球星呢？看起来就像勇士讲话官一向把火力瞄准哈登然后很神秘的规避失落了库里在戍守真个晦气。

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