【键盘侠】沙克为科比鸣不平

[BR] Shaq on the GOAT Debate "I find it quite disrespectful that they don't bring Kobe's name up" "That kind of pisses me off how they just skip over him and say, 'LeBron.' I don't understand that. Because I was there with him, and he was a bad motherf*cker, too."

沙克谈史上最好的评论“我感觉不把科比的名字放在史上最好的名单当中是对他的不尊敬，他们跳过了科比而直接去谈勒布朗-詹姆斯确切让我有些抓狂，我其实不理解在此，由于我就在他身旁打球，他是真的强。”

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[–]TimberwolvesAjax_Malone 8754 points 23 hours ago

Y'all motherfuckers don't realize the game Shaq is playing.

Step 1: get Kobe in the GOAT discussion.

Step 2: point out you were better then Kobe.

Step 3 Shaq now in the GOAT discussion.

丛林狼球迷：你们完全没成心识到沙克玩的幻术：

第一步：让科比进入史上最好的会商当中

第二部：指出我比科比强

第三部：沙克此刻已在史上最好的会商当中了

[–]CelticsViperDangerous 1530 points 23 hours ago

Makes sense to me. Seems like a solid plan.

凯尔特人球迷：这个听起来很成心义啊，真的是一个很强的打算。

[–][BOS] Mark Blountthatboyaintrite 666 points 23 hours ago

I've always thought Shaq and Kobe were both pretty petty. They want to 1 up the other in every interview I've seen with them together.

I remember an interview with them in the last 6 months, where Kobe openly admitted he got satisfaction by having 1 more ring than Shaq.

凯尔特人球迷：我老是感觉他们两个都很是吝啬，他们老是想在每次公家采访眼前压服对面一头。

我还记得六个月前他们两个一路接管采访，那时科比公然认可比沙克多赢一枚戒指时真的高兴。

[–]LarryKleist711 514 points 23 hours ago

I think they are both starting to realize that their combined egos fucked up a solid chance to have won atleast 3-4 additional championships- and obviously if Shaq could have bothered to be in shape, that would have helped in their championship quests.

现实上我们觉得他们已意想到由于自我而弄砸了一个很棒的组合，他们原可以博得3-4个冠军，明显，假如沙克能包管本身的体型，对他们夺冠更加有益。

[–][HOU] Danuel House Jr.Harden-Soul 323 points 23 hours ago

I disagree. I don’t think Kobe’s opinions changed since 2010. I think Kobe realized at the time they were playing together how filthy Shaq was, but also realized Shaq didn’t care as much as him. He absolutely knew how good they could be together, but he also hated Shaq for not caring and he hated the fans for blaming Kobe for losing in 04 when it was Shaq who wasn’t trying. I think after that it was all about proving to himself that he was as good as Shaq, and that meant winning more rings.

I also don’t think Kobe would change the way it happened for Shaq to stay and create a dynasty, even if they won way more. The way it happened, it created both a goal to chase for Kobe and a better individual career storyline than just winning with Shaq.

Shaq, on the other hand, I think everytime he sees a Kobe clip he hasn’t seen on his recommended YouTube he realizes what the guy was all about and what they could have been if he had been willing to listen to a guy that was younger and, at the time, less accomplished than him. I think he started realizing that in 2010 and then again when Kobe retired.

火箭球迷：我分歧意，我不感觉科比的不雅点自2010年以来产生了改变，我感觉科比意想到和沙克在一路打球有何等不顺，也意想到沙克并没有那末在意他，现实上科比完全知道他们在一路有多好，可是他厌恶沙克不关心的姿态而且他也厌恶沙克在04年总决赛并没有倾尽全力，并且也很厌恶球迷们将04年输球的锅丢给了本身，我认为在那以后，科比所做的一切都是为了证实他和沙克一样优异，他本身能赢下更多的戒指。

假如沙克能留下来成立一个王朝，即便他们能赢下更多戒指，我也不感觉科比会改变本身的设法。所以就如许，他们的各奔前程缔造了一个科比追逐冠军的故事，也缔造了博得沙克更好的小我职业故事。

从另外一个方面而言，我感觉每次他在Youtube上看到科比的视频片断时，他城市意想到假如他愿意服从一个比他年青且那时成绩不如他的年青人时会酿成甚么模样。我认为他在2010年以后就已意想到这一点了，在科比退役以后他再次意想到了这一点。

[–]CelticsCapN_Tyin_Knots 188 points 23 hours ago*

Idk man, Shaq averaged 27/11 in the ‘04 finals, including 34/11 in the miserable game 1 loss when he unfortunately turned over the ball too much and Kobe shot 370%. Not to mention the game 4 loss when he went 36/20 with Kobe scoring 20pts on 320% from the floor.

Watching that series, Shaq played his game for the most part. Kobe averaged like 350% from the floor in those 4 losses on his typical high volumes. I don’t think you can go pointing fingers on that ‘04 series on Shaq’s effort when he did enough to win multiple games without the typical contribution he had in wins from Kobe.

凯尔特人球迷：其实不是，沙克04年总决赛场均27+11，此中还包罗第一场34+11的角逐，那时他很不幸得掉误太多，而科比不外射中率为370%，更不消说输失落的第四场角逐，那时沙克砍下36+20，而科比以320%的射中率只获得了20分。

看看那轮系列赛，沙克打出了本身的角逐，而科比出手屡次而射中率不外350%，我不感觉你可以求全谴责04年系列赛沙克的尽力，由于他对系列赛做出的进献不比科比少。

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[–]silfgonnasilf 800 points 6 hours ago

I'll put it this way...you never say anything else but "Kobe" when shooting any object into any hole.

That man left a mark

当你会商任何工作的时辰，啥都不说就说科比就可以引发惊涛骇浪。

这个汉子就留下如许的印记。

[–]Mavericksrustyphish 2453 points 6 hours ago*

I never thought I'd be the one defending Kobe, but sometimes I think the average r/NBA user is too new of a basketball fan to know what it was like watching Kobe. I hated the guy as a fan, but you would not have been laughed out of the room for bringing him up as one of the greatest of all time before advanced metrics became such darlings.

I'm not saying he's better than MJ or Lebron, but I do think he's vastly underrated sometimes now.

独行侠球迷：我从不感觉我是一个科比的卫道士，可是我感觉跟着NBA论坛的年青化致使良多人都被没看过科比的角逐了，作为一个粉丝我很厌恶这家伙，可是在成为同盟骄子之前，你不会由于他应当进入史上最好会商而冷笑他。

固然我其实不是说他比乔丹或勒布朗强，可是我感觉他此刻被低估得利害。

[–]JoeInglesIsMyDaddy 3245 points 7 hours ago

Anyone here that has watched basketball for 20+ years has a lot more respect for Kobe than most kids on this subreddit.

现实上任何一个看球20年以上的人都要比此刻发帖的人要更尊敬科比。

[–]BucksGlennRobinson420 1624 points 6 hours ago

Man back in like '04 High School. Couldn't throw shit away with out saying "Kobe"

雄鹿球迷：还记适当年04年念高中的时辰，我们都在狂骂科比。

[–]Spursbrandon_strandy 272 points 7 hours ago

Most NBA players give mad props to Kobe. I think I'll take their word over reddit teens lol.

马刺球迷：良多NBA球员都超等粉科比，我感觉他们的谈吐要比你们这些键盘侠好很多哈哈哈。

[–]LakersFigityFuck 275 points 7 hours ago*

“It’s a tie between MJ and Kobe," Durant said. “Two guys that I think are a head above everybody else that’s ever played the game. Just their will to win is something that’s contagious, and it makes you a better player as an opponent as well.”

Me personally I don't think Kobe was better than MJ. But it's comical how this sub underrates Kobe as far as to say that he isn't even top 10 all time compared to how nba players talk about him.

“乔丹和科比是不异的，”杜兰特说，“我感觉这两个家伙要比其他人超出跨越一个档次，他们对成功的巴望是有传染力的，这也会敦促你成为一个更好的球员，更好的敌手。”

小我而言我其实不感觉科比比乔丹强，不外和NBA球员谈论科比的体例比拟，Reddit里的人更是低估了科比吧，他们乃至说科比不是史上前十，这也太风趣了。

[–]SpursMrTX 189 points 5 hours ago

I think I speak for most Spurs fans when I say the day Kobe retired was one of the happiest days of my life. The dude was a monster and I have never feared one individual man before or since then as much as him.

马刺球迷：我感觉我说的话能代表年夜部门马刺球迷的心声，科比退役那天是我生射中最欢愉的那天，这家伙的确是个禽兽，自从他以后我还没见过一小我能这么让我惧怕的。

[–][TOR] Hakeem Olajuwonleft_earff 950 points 7 hours ago

Well we know for sure that he's not the greatest of all time 'cause he was a clone of MJ who wasn't as good

猛龙球迷：固然，我们都知道他不是史上最好由于他是一个乔丹的克隆品，并且他还没乔丹那末强。

[–]RaptorsObamagasm69 609 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I really think this is it. MJ has every argument over him because they are so similar in playstyle but MJ's career is so obviously better

猛龙球迷：我感觉这才是问题的要害，乔丹的风评毫无疑问盖过科比而他们的打球气概太像了，可是乔丹的职业生活生计要更棒一些。

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[–]Celticskingwroth 698 points 7 hours ago*

smh cuz there can only be one GOAT Shaq, there can't be 10 different ones. Shaq thinks there are two GOATS per decade.

凯尔特人球迷：由于汗青上只有一个史上最好啊沙克，汗青上可不克不及有10个纷歧样的史上最好啊，沙克这话听起来每十年就有两个史上最好一样。

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