【键盘侠】哈登谈自己为何应拿MVP

[Rachel Nichols] James Harden on why he deserves MVP "Look at all what we've had to go through, and you put any other guy in this situation that I've been in they probably wouldn't be here in that same situation."

火箭球星哈登日前接管了NBA名记Rachel Nichols的采访，时代谈到了本身应当是MVP的缘由。

“看看我们所履历的一切，你把其他任何一个家伙放到如许的处境中，他们极可能做不到我这么好。”

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[–]shanmustafa 495 points 12 hours ago

it's really a coin flip between him and Giannis

Harden has the insane numbers, like 37/7/8 on .622 TS

Giannis at 27/13/6 , .638 TS, best record in the league and probably like a 64-65 win pace , and he's a defensive monster, best defense in the league and he's got the most dws and best defensive rating, leads the league in ws and ws per 48

he doesn't play as many minutes as harden either

per 36 he's at 30/14/6.5

这俩谁拿MVP就等在是扔硬币。

哈登的数据很逆天，大要有37+7+8，真实射中率高达62.20%。

字母哥则是27+13+6，真实射中率63.80%，球队战绩同盟最好，也许还能拿到64-65胜。并且他仍是个戍守怪兽，同盟最好戍守，而且他的戍守成功进献值和效力都是同盟最高，成功进献值和每48分钟的成功进献值均领跑同盟。

另外，他的进场时候也没有哈登多。

他每36分钟的数据则是30+14+6.5.

[–][LAL] Marcelo Huertas henstobs11 9 points 12 hours ago

Leading a 7th seed Bucks last year to having the best record this season, putting up efficient insane stats on the least minutes ever since becoming the main guy, toe-to-toe vs. PG as DPOY while being the frontrunner for MVP.

He just turned 24. Dear Deer God

湖人球迷：带领上赛季排名东部第七的雄鹿拿下同盟最好战绩，自打成为球队的头牌后，本赛季以起码的进场时候进献了高效的数据，领跑MVP争取战的同时还能在年度最好戍守人的较劲中与乔治掰手段。

并且他方才过24岁生日，我滴鹿神啊

[–]Rockets splanket 41 points 11 hours ago

Giannis also plays on a much higher pace team, so if you're going to account for minutes you have to account for that.

Harden 48.1/8.8/10.1 per 100 possessions (highest scoring per 100 possessions in league history)

Giannis 38.2/17.9/8.4 per 100

火箭球迷：字母哥球队的节拍也要快的多啊，所以假如你要算进场时候的话，那这点也要算上。

哈登每100个回合的数据是48.1+8.8+10.1(每百回合得分是汗青最高)

字母哥每100回合则是38.2+17+8.4.

[–]Lakers TuneHD 2 points 10 hours ago

But the game isn't played by 100 possessions. You're delusional if you think fatigue isn't a big factor that comes into play with the pace.

湖人球迷：可角逐不是按100个回合打的啊。假如你感觉疲惫对照赛节拍的影响不年夜的话，那你真是妄图。

[–][HOU] Steve Francis 6Pac-Shakur 33 points 9 hours ago

then why do giannis’ minutes matter? he plays at a faster pace so he needs more rest. it evens out in my eyes

火箭球迷：那为啥字母哥的进场时候就该被斟酌呢？他的角逐节拍更快，所以他才需要更多的歇息。我感觉这扯平了。

[–][HOU] P.J. Tucker dustybagels 70 points 11 hours ago

Harden also has a pretty size-able edge in VORP and RPM, and a slighter edge in BPM, FWIW.

I wouldn't be upset if Giannis wins it. They're on a 62-win pace, best record in the league. Usually that wins out. He's a much better defender, which is hard to quantify as most of us know. Not saying Harden has been bad defensively because he hasn't, he's actually improved a lot in the past couple of seasons, but Giannis is still much better.

But Harden's scoring and overall offensive production have been unreal. He's doing it to give us a chance at winning and he's doing it in a way we haven't seen in a really long time, which is special.

火箭球迷：哈登的VORP(与替代球员得分的差值)和RPM(真实正负值)都年夜幅度高在字母哥，并且他的BPM(每一个球员每100回合相较在同盟平均程度表示的正负差值)也略高，仅供参考。

如果字母哥拿了MVP我也不会掉望。究竟他们能冲62胜，仍是同盟最好战绩。一般这点都能胜出。他也是个强良多的戍守人，这点是很难量化的。倒不是说哈登的戍守稀烂，由于其实不是，他曩昔几个赛季的戍守前进很年夜，不外字母哥要强良多。

可是，哈登的得分和整体的进攻进献是不成思议的。他的表示让我们有了取胜的机遇，并且他的这类阐扬我们已有很长时候没有见识到了，这是很特殊的。

[–]shanmustafa 47 points 11 hours ago

I really can't pick between the two honestly

My only problem is that Giannis seems to be getting discredited because his teammates are staying healthy.. that's not his fault that he can't show what he'd do without them like Harden has been able to do

And what he's doing with them is what no one really expected which is a 60+ win pace

说真话，这俩人我真没法选。

我独一的问题是字母哥获得的承认仿佛还不敷，由于他的队友都很健康。他没法像哈登那样在良多队友缺阵的环境下揭示带队能力，这又不是他的错。

并且他此刻率领雄鹿向60+的胜场倡议的冲击可是没人预感到的。

[–][HOU] P.J. Tucker dustybagels 29 points 11 hours ago

Yeah it's an unfair thing to hold against Giannis but it's fair to give Harden credit for keeping his team's head above water while they crippled around him. There is a difference, IMO.

火箭球迷：确切，针对字母哥是不公允的，不外承认哈登率领球队在窘境下前行也是通情达理的。我感觉二者仍是有区分的。

[–]Bucks itshurleytime 10 points 10 hours ago

I like hating on Harden as much as the next guy and I think Giannis is a more valuable player, but if there is a good, honest argument for another player to be MVP, which there is, there's no real reason to be upset if Giannis doesn't get it.

雄鹿球迷：我是厌恶哈登的，究竟他是字母哥的竞争敌手，并且我感觉字母哥的价值更年夜。可是，假如其他球员获得MVP有着很使人佩服的来由，这也是存在的，那如果字母哥没拿到MVP，我就没来由感应掉望了。

[–]Bucks wendellsanders24 293 points 11 hours ago

As an aside, it's a weird thing to be sort of invested in these awards where I think there's rational arguments on both sides. I remember getting heated with Sixers fans over the Brogdon/Saric ROY award lmao, talk about a historic race.

It's easier to just appreciate the players 。

雄鹿球迷：插句此外，对这些奖项争来争去真的很希奇，我感觉两边的得奖来由都很有事理。我记适当初还为了布罗咯噔和萨里奇谁拿年度最好新秀和76人球迷争的面红耳赤，哈哈哈哈。

就好好顾惜这些球员的表示就行了，这不是更轻易嘛。

[–]Rockets el_monstruo 32 points 9 hours ago

What I have been saying is there is no reason to tear one down to build the other up. There is nothing wrong with saying both are deserving either.

火箭球迷：我一向都说没需要捧一个踩一个。说他们俩都配得上MVP又没有甚么错。

[–][HOU] Moochie Norris GeauxHouston22 88 points 11 hours ago

It's easier to just appreciate the players.

this is the truth

worry about wins and losses, all the other stuff is just extra

火箭球迷：“就好好顾惜这些球员的表示就行了，这不是更轻易嘛。”

年夜真话啊，费心球队的胜败吧，其他的都是过剩的。

[–]Rockets bushies 34 points 10 hours ago

Rockets fans have been here before, and I hate belittling other amazing campaigns. If giannis wins, I can obviously admit he's deserving, but I still will favor Harden's historic offensive output .

That said, Russell's MVP season was totally narrative driven and undeserving of the award. Objectively, Harden deserved it more. I say that having Westbrook as probably my favorite player to watch.

火箭球迷：火箭球迷在此，我厌恶那种贬低其他人卓异赛季表示的行动。假如字母哥拿了MVP，我会风雅认可这是他应得的。

可是，我仍是会力挺哈登汗青级的进攻输出。

话虽如斯，威少阿谁赛季能拿MVP完满是被舆论摆布的，他拿奖的说服力不敷。客不雅来讲，哈登那时更该拿MVP。我虽这么说，不外威少或许是我最喜好看的球员。

[–]Warriors IukeskywaIker 35 points 9 hours ago

The mvp award is pretty narrative driven in general. I don’t think it was just the year russ won that that’s been the case

勇士球迷：一般而言，MVP在很年夜水平上都是被舆论摆布的。我不认为只有威少得奖的阿谁赛季是这么回事。

[–]Rockets A_Rolling_Baneling 20 points 8 hours ago

For real, do people not remember Derrick Rose? I'm a fan of his, I think he's an amazing player, but I don't think he should've won MVP that year. He was the third best player in his conference that year, not the best in the league. Narrative wins the day though.

火箭球迷：真的，大师还记得罗斯吧？我是他的粉丝，我感觉他很强，可是我不感觉他昔时应当拿MVP。他那年是东部第三强的球员，还不是同盟第一。不外舆论仍是摆布告终局。

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[–][HOU] Chris Paul Dark22tj 165 points 12 hours ago

Ya know I was hoping to be wrong when I said this reminded me of the 2015 season but here we are, our starters haven’t played 25 games together and we are at all star break

火箭球迷：你们知道的，当我说这让我想起2015/16赛季的时辰，我一度但愿是本身错了，可事实如斯，我们的首发本赛季都没在一路打过25场角逐，此刻都到全明星休赛期了。

[–][HOU] Clint Capela Duche07 7 points 12 hours ago

Tbh we are much better than we were that year.

We ended up 41-41, this year we’ve had a disappointing record due to injuries

火箭球迷：说真话，我们此刻比那年强多了。

我们昔时41胜41负，这个赛季的战绩让人掉望是由于伤病。

[–]Early Tree 62 points 12 hours ago

Guess that means they’ll stay healthy in the playoffs this year

我猜这意味着他们到了季后赛城市连结健康。

[–]nowhathappenedwas 192 points 12 hours ago

He's basically single-handedly dragged the Rockets to the second best offense in the league.

No one has ever scored as efficiently as Harden while taking on such a heavy offensive load.

哈即位本是凭一己之利巴火箭的进攻拉到了同盟第二。

在承当如斯艰难的进攻重担的同时，没人能像哈登如许高效地得分。

[–][HOU] Shane Battier w2eatherman 239 points 10 hours ago

This is our 4th year arguing an MVP for James Harden. Rockets fans have heard every excuse in the book to not give him his MVPs. At this point I don't care. Give it to Giannis, it would make Bucks fans happier than it would make us.

火箭球迷：这是我们第四个赛季为哈登可否得MVP而争辩了。火蜜已听过了不给哈登MVP的每一个来由。到这时候候我都不在意了。给字母哥MVP吧，字母哥拿MVP带给雄鹿球迷的欢喜应当比哈登拿奖带给我们的欢喜多。

[–][SEA] Gary Payton JoakimFreeThrow 103 points 10 hours ago

Damn ...

超音速球迷：靠……

[–]Rockets zamiboy 11 points 9 hours ago

This is what I say. That being said though, I would prefer if our player at least wins MVP because it is very likely that we can't beat the Warriors with 5 all star starters and 6 or 7 future HOFers

火箭球迷：我也是这个意思。不外话虽如斯，我更想看到我们的球员最少拿个MVP吧，由于我们极可能不克不及击败五个全明星首发压阵的勇士，并且他们那儿有6到7个将来的名人堂成员。

[–]Rockets YaboiVane[S] 121 points 10 hours ago

How can a man be so good yet so disrespected

火箭球迷：哈登这么优异的人怎样就这么不被尊敬呢？

[–]Pistons ranchberke 71 points 10 hours ago*

Harden haters are probably my least favorite type of NBA fans. They can rationalize any metric, stat, or point against him. As Kanye once said, "shut the fuck up and enjoy the greatness"

Edit : man Harden haters are a sensitive bunch. I don't consider any of you real basketball fans

活塞球迷：喷哈登的那群人也许是我最反感的那类NBA球迷。他们可以将本身针对哈登的行动公道化。

正如侃爷之前说过的，“闭上臭嘴，享受伟年夜。”

编纂：天呐，哈登的喷子真是群玻璃心啊。我感觉你们都不是真球迷。

[–][SEA] Gary Payton JoakimFreeThrow 24 points 9 hours ago*

I can imagine it's rough to open Reddit and see your franchise player getting shit on time after time, but every team has their share of irrational fans

超音速球迷：打开论坛看到球队的头牌被大师一喷再喷，这类难熬难过我能想象。不外每支球队都有不睬性的球迷。

[–]Suns zephah 79 points 7 hours ago

I just don't know why more people can't understand there's a middle ground of people who understand how phenomenal Harden is at basketball and also don't like watching him play.

I probably like Harden more than most non-Houston fans because he went to ASU, but man there are just some really frustrating parts of watching him play.

I don't think he deserves less accolades or is a trash player, but I'm definitely on board with not enjoying certain aspects of the way he approaches the game.

太阳球迷：我就是不懂了，为何良多人就是不克不及大白，有些球迷是中心地带的，他们理解哈登现象级的表示，同时也不喜好看哈登打球。

我对哈登的爱好也许比年夜大都非火箭球迷要多，由于他在亚利桑那州立年夜学打过球，不外，看他打球有时辰真的会很让人掉望。

至在说他配不上大师那末多的赞成，或说他是个垃圾球员，这点我是不认同的。不外他打球的体例我必定是有些不年夜喜好的。

[–]Lakers msching 16 points 5 hours ago

Because everything is so black and white to people lol. I agree with you. I think he's great. I just don't like his manipulate the referee play style. The "he wouldn't score as much if he didn't take 20 FTs a game" is bullshit. He's a phenomenal scorer. It's how he gets away with the things he does, and I think the referees have some of my dislike to Harden's play style. After all, the calls he gets encourage him and others to play that style as well.

湖人球迷：由于大师都感觉一切非黑即白，哈哈哈。我是认同你的。我感觉哈登很伟年夜，我就是不喜好他骗哨的打法。

那些“假如他一场角逐没有20次罚球是拿不到那末多分”的说法也是扯淡。他是个现象级的得分手。造犯规是他的气概，我感觉我不喜好哈登的打法有部门缘由是由于裁判。究竟是他们的哨声鼓动勉励了哈登，其他球员也随着这么做。

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[–]EarlyTree 34 points 12 hours ago

Talk that shit, beard

把MVP拿了吧，年夜胡子。

[–]Timberwolves JSS0075 57 points 11 hours ago

The claim he makes right there is his best point for MVP and why I think he should win it. Who right now could do what he had to? Lebron, maybe KD, otherwise I can't see anyone pull it off. And those two are (probably) future top 10 G.O.A.T. players.

丛林狼球迷：他今天的注释就是MVP的最好论调，也是我感觉他该拿MVP的来由。此刻还谁能打出哈登这类表示？詹姆斯，也许还杜兰特，不然我不认为有谁能做到。而詹姆斯和杜兰特这俩(也许)是今后的汗青前十级球员。

[–]Raptors pleasefeedthedino 15 points 12 hours ago

He's right. I don't like his foul-baiting but that pales in comparison to the rest of what he's done this year.

猛龙球迷：哈登说的没错。我不喜好他骗哨的行动，可是比起他这个赛季的表示，这些都何足道哉。

[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 56 points 12 hours ago*

I feel like if we're voting by historical criteria, then Giannis is the choice. But if I'm voting like "most outstanding player" then I'm leaning Harden. I tend to want to ignore the historical BS and just vote for the guy I think has been the best. And that's Harden right now. At the same time, I think the Bucks would sorta be justified to be annoyed if people voted against the normal historical criteria.

Which is sort of the annoying part about MVP. Feels like there's not exact criteria and how you choose to define the award is just as big of a factor as anything else in a lot of years.

鹈鹕球迷：我感觉吧，假如我们要参照汗青尺度来给MVP投票，那字母哥该拿。可是假如我要以“最出色球员”的尺度来权衡，那我站哈登。我更想轻忽所谓的汗青尺度这些破事儿，就投阿谁我感觉本赛季表示最好的人。阿谁人此刻就是哈登。与此同时，假如大师真不按常规的汗青尺度选MVP，那我感觉雄鹿球迷不爽也是公道的。

这就是MVP这个奖项让人焦躁的处所。感受它的评选没有一个明白的尺度，多年以来，你怎样去界说这个奖项也是一个很主要的影响身分。

[–][LAL] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar NotYourAverageWaffle 74 points 11 hours ago

Guess we gotta ignore all the years Bron carried an entire team filled with dead weight into the playoffs and sometimes the finals.

湖人球迷：看来我们得疏忽詹姆斯背负重压独自带队的那些年了，他可是把球队带进了季后赛，并且有时还进了决赛。

[–]Rockets rlivz 29 points 10 hours ago

What years were those? Bron has 4 MVPs

火箭球迷：那你说说是哪几年？詹姆斯可是拿了4个MVP的。

[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade nnalic 20 points 9 hours ago

2016 and 2017 stand out the most I guess

热火球迷：我感觉16/17赛季和17/18赛季最较着了。

[–][GSW] Monta Ellis baby_hooper 22 points 6 hours ago

Kevin Love was the best PF in the league in 2014... Lebron did not "carry" a team that had Kyrie and Kevin Love to the finals, the cavs were clearly the most talented eastern conference team those years

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that being said, carrying the 2018 cavs to the finals was imo Lebron's greatest achievement, that was truly incredible

勇士球迷：凯文-乐福在14/15赛季可是同盟最好年夜先锋啊……不是只有詹姆斯一小我扛起球队吧，他可是有欧文和乐福才进总决赛的，并且那些年的骑士较着是全部东部最有先天的。

话虽这么说，我感觉独自率领骑士进入18年总决赛是詹姆斯最伟年夜的成绩，那是真的了不得。

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[–]throwawayyy1234569 19 points 10 hours ago

Giannis has a legitimate case for a DPOY

And he's in the MVP conversation. And his team has the best record

Honestly that's the bag right there imo

字母哥是年度最好戍守人的强有力竞争者。

他本身也在争取MVP，他的球队具有最好战绩。

说真话，我感觉他的MVP已稳了。

[–]Mavericks mffl113 3 points 8 hours ago

Ya, Harden deserved to win the last two MVP awards. Westbrook shouldn’t have won it two years ago. But this year, Giannis deserves to win it with the say he’s played and with his teams record.

独行侠球迷：是的，之前两个赛季的MVP是该哈登拿的。两年前的威少不该拿MVP。不外这个赛季，字母哥凭仗他的表示和球队战绩理应拿奖。

[–]Raptors _TheresMyChippy_ 20 points 12 hours ago

Look at Giannis' supporting cast vs Harden's.

I don't think Giannis could carry the Rockets the same way James is.

猛龙球迷：把字母哥和哈登的配套声势比比吧。

我不认为字母哥可以像哈登如许扛着火箭队前行。

[–]Warriors YellowBaboon 59 points 12 hours ago

But MVP has never been who can carry the worst team. Don't understand why we should punish someone because he has a healthy team and has won way more games while playing a similar elite level with less usage.

勇士球迷：可是MVP的评选历来都不是按谁能扛起最菜球队的尺度来的啊。就由于字母哥的球队人员健康，而他又在以更低的利用率打出与哈登类似的精英级表示的同时，赢球场次也更多，所以我们就要怪他吗，真没法理解。

[–]Kings KingsBallSac 26 points 10 hours ago

The criteria keeps changing. Especially depending on who you are a fan of or which team you like or don't like.

国王球迷：尺度是一向在变的。特别取决在你是谁的球迷，你喜好或不喜好哪支球队。

[–]effhomer 5 points 12 hours ago

Every year players on garbage teams say this and every year players on good teams say it's an award for leading the best team.

每一个赛季那些垃圾球队的球员都这么说，而强队的球员每一个赛季则说奖项是给那些顶尖球队里出类拔萃的人预备的。

[–][HOU] Clint Capela Duche07 39 points 12 hours ago

Garbage team? He’s literally game back from 4 seed and can possibly make a late push for 2/3 depending on how the Nuggets/OKC end off.

OKC has the toughest schedule left

火箭球迷：垃圾球队？？他可是在率领球队冲西部第四啊，并且也许还能为西部第2、第三做最后一搏，这就看雷霆和掘金最后的阐扬了。

雷霆剩下的赛程可是最为艰巨的。

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